WCML Over Shap From Keith Ross

[jimmyshand]

I thought this route was just the WCML between Preston and Carlisle. What a top job by the author to also include the line to Dumfries and others by the look of it. That's a serious bit of extension and will offer far more scenario flexibility/variety and user enjoyment than just mainline blasting between point to point. Even more so with it being a BR blue era, electric loco's on the WCML, diesels to Dumfries, DMU's to Morcambe etc.

This looks like being another absolute top drawer classic.

[martinhodgson]

Delighted to see my home branch of Morecambe included; Bare Lane looks very realistic!

[jarmstro]

Can I ask if the opaque windscreen issue was eventually sorted out on the RSC 87? Be a damn shame if any new release was still to be relegated to AI only use on account of something that was easily fixable.

1S81

Yes, I believe that was fixed. I am not sure about the physics however? If not a patch is available in the library here: http://members.uktrainsim.com/filelib-i ... leid=31455

Regards
John A

[Fodda]

Well this certainly looks like it's a keeper! BR Blue era, long line and all by Mr. Ross! Luvverly jubberly.

[deltic009]

Well this certainly looks like it's a keeper! BR Blue era, long line and all by Mr. Ross! Luvverly jubberly.

Just a word of caution, the fact a BR Blue 87 is shown does not make the route BR Blue era - the original LED signalled WCML-N came with Inter-City Executive Class 86s.

Don't confuse that for me saying the route is in anyway unsatisfactory, just that stock and route era may not necessarily be on a par.

[winifred89]

I thought this route was just the WCML between Preston and Carlisle. What a top job by the author to also include the line to Dumfries and others by the look of it. That's a serious bit of extension and will offer far more scenario flexibility/variety and user enjoyment than just mainline blasting between point to point. Even more so with it being a BR blue era, electric loco's on the WCML, diesels to Dumfries, DMU's to Morcambe etc.

This looks like being another absolute top drawer classic.

Let's hope we have a new First gen DMU included or in the pipeline if it is going to be a BR Blue route.

[Kromaatikse]

I'll just mention here that I got my hands dirty with some loco overhauling for this one.

You'll have to wait and see what the results are though...

[martinhodgson]

I'd hazard a guess that it will be the same era as Carlisle-Glasgow for continuity, and judging by the station furniture (and the Morecambe branch signalling) this would be the case. Of course, that is not to say a different era of stock will be provided considering the 86 provided with WCML-N was also slightly out of sync with the simulated era.

[749006]

Double heading 87's on a container train anyone? I mean, weren't they meant for express services until arrival of the class 90? When were they stored, i think i have read it somewhere, they were stored and then sold (all of them?) to Romania(?)

How totally incorrect.
The locos were a mixed traffic loco working mainly passenger and some freight.
This is why they had the MU Jumpers on the front for freight work.
It took 10 mins of looking on Flickr to find these 7 pictures
http://www.railblue.com/pages/Class%208 ... 270984.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84777395@N08/8218569438/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37190-dalzell/8598300422/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86020500@N06/8043399805/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36034969@N08/7597071584/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7541633@N08/5878254968/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7541633@N08/5877683819/

There are none of the class in Romania some of the locos were exported to Bulgaria.
Three of the Class are preserved in the UK.

Fortunately Keith Ross knows more about the WCML than you.

[749006]

Is the Mk1 Buffet in BR Blue by RSC? If so isn't that new?

is it by RSC?

I don't know, which is why I was asking.

Is the Mk1 Buffet in BR Blue by RSC? If so isn't that new?

I would have thought that it is likely a reskin of the Maroon Mk1 Buffet that came with Keith's WLOS.

Hopefully it is, as we could do with one.

You could always get the AP Mk1 pack which has a RK and a RMB in various liveries.
http://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/inde ... uct_id=115
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[david1]

The locos were a mixed traffic loco working mainly passenger and some freight.This is why they had the MU Jumpers on the front for freight work.

Those pictures bring back memories especially Warrington BQ as i used to go there a lot as it was only 30mins away from Manchester, dont remember seeing any electrics on coal though on the WCML apart from after class 92`s as there had working and of course pairs of 76 over the woodhead i just got to see a few of the later at dinting before the line closed.

Do you know if that was a regular working of AC electrics on coal or was it due to motive power shortage, i know it was a long time ago now and a bit pointless but just interesting to kmow

[749006]

The locos were a mixed traffic loco working mainly passenger and some freight.This is why they had the MU Jumpers on the front for freight work.

Those pictures bring back memories especially Warrington BQ as i used to go there a lot as it was only 30mins away from Manchester, dont remember seeing any electrics on coal though on the WCML apart from after class 92`s as there had working and of course pairs of 76 over the woodhead i just got to see a few of the later at dinting before the line closed.

Do you know if that was a regular working of AC electrics on coal or was it due to motive power shortage, i know it was a long time ago now and a bit pointless but just interesting to kmow

I'm not really sure as it was just something I found on Flickr.
It might have been a special working going over Shap and the locos just happened to be available.

[spellow3010]

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On what we've seen so far I've been almost lost for words, so here goes. The route is looking fantastic, the detail incredible and, unless I'm very much mistaken, appears as if it could well be set in the late eighties/early nineties sectorised-BR era. Release day purchase, no doubt about it.

A few of the screenshots show un-electrified lines. Anyone identified these locations yet?

1S81

And there is a god... if true, a late 80s/early nineties timeframe would tell me that miracles really do happen and that if you wish hard enough, it will come true.

Of course - that would open up the floor to prospective Class 81/85 roarer territory. 'Fellrunner' anyone?

Once more - there is genius here. Sir Ross of Keith. Instapurchase. Nom Nom Nom...

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[spellow3010]

The locos were a mixed traffic loco working mainly passenger and some freight.This is why they had the MU Jumpers on the front for freight work.

Those pictures bring back memories especially Warrington BQ as i used to go there a lot as it was only 30mins away from Manchester, dont remember seeing any electrics on coal though on the WCML apart from after class 92`s as there had working and of course pairs of 76 over the woodhead i just got to see a few of the later at dinting before the line closed.

Do you know if that was a regular working of AC electrics on coal or was it due to motive power shortage, i know it was a long time ago now and a bit pointless but just interesting to kmow

There are pictures in books featuring the West Coast electrics through the 1970s and up to mid-80s showing a variety of the classes working on rakes of 16t coal wagons (Class 85/81 mostly) and I seem to recall seeing them working Speedlink Distribtuion trains, which often included HEA coal hoppers in the consist.

Of note more recently (within the last 10 years), while at work, I have seen Class 92s on the auto-ballaster. You can get the auto-ballaster from JT.

Any news as to whether the 92 will be bundled with this route, or maybe sold separately, but released at the same time?

[rkk01]

Fingers are firmly crossed for a 1980s timeframe on this route

As I posted ^^, the Virgin branding issues gives RSC problems with a post privatisation era setting (unless that has been resolved)

Don't forget, WCML(N) is also pre-privatisation as released by RSC. It is JT and AP that have provided the Virgin branded stock