Cameras in stations

[pistitom]

Hello everybody, I hope I'm not asking an already answered question ( did some search) , I was just curious, how is it there are absolutely no outside cams ( key 4 the locked view ) in stations ? Is it sg. one can do by entering the world editor? ( haven't tried that yet). Apologies if this is a stupid question
thx

Pisti

[dave13]

Hello everybody, I hope I'm not asking an already answered question ( did some search) , I was just curious, how is it there are absolutely no outside cams ( key 4 the locked view ) in stations ? Is it sg. one can do by entering the world editor? ( haven't tried that yet). Apologies if this is a stupid question
thx

Pisti

Hi Pisti
The way I do it is to use the 8 key (Free Cam) and then just sit on the station in question
Dave:)

[ttjph]

That's something I've always wondered: are the '4' camera positions defined all along the track in the route, or does the game just randomly generate them at the nearest point to the train?

There are some routes where for long stretches it only wants to give you overhead viewpoints, and a few other places where I've had it put me in a platform or embankment...

[749006]

Me too. I would much rather have a Trackside view than the roof of the train.
I sometimes keep hitting the [4] key as it will give a track view.

Can the camera positions be moved?

Peter

[pistitom]

Yep, that's exactly what I'd like to do....I mean 2-3-4 cameras in station at human eyes-level one would think it's sg that comes with the game....well, I guess I'll have tot ry to edit the world, it would be quite strange if all the cameras would be positioned 100% automatically...

[PaulH2]

That's something I've always wondered: are the '4' camera positions defined all along the track in the route, or does the game just randomly generate them at the nearest point to the train?

There are some routes where for long stretches it only wants to give you overhead viewpoints, and a few other places where I've had it put me in a platform or embankment...

The latter, the '4' camera is generated along the distance of travel, not pre-defined.

I think what makes it get "stuck" giving only overhead viewpoints is routes with for example lofted embankments and similar - the sim tries to avoid getting stuck behind scenery, so if it thinks something would be in the way of the view (such asa bridge, building, embankment etc.) it gives you an overhead view instead.

[pistitom]

So, do You think one ( obviously not someone with my knowledge ) could change the code like..." if there's a station building to the right of the train then camera positioned right, building is to the left, camera to the left , etc etc.....? So when these type of objects :platform, bench get close the game would automatically generate a new position for the cam ?

[PaulH2]

So, do You think one ( obviously not someone with my knowledge ) could change the code like..." if there's a station building to the right of the train then camera positioned right, building is to the left, camera to the left , etc etc.....? So when these type of objects :platform, bench get close the game would automatically generate a new position for the cam ?

Not at the user end, no, you can fiddle with settings for the cameras such as the focal length (you'll see a few people sometimes post screenshots that look more like real photographs and that's one of the "tricks") but how the cameras are positioned is hard coded and so can't be changed by anyone other than RSC. Plus the sim doesn't know what the different scenery objects are (it just knows where something is and how big it is, not what it is, so it can't tell the difference between and a bush for example) so that type of filtering wouldn't be possible.

That said, we don't know any details, but there are apparently changes to the cameras coming in TS2014, so who knows...

Personally, I've always thought the best enhancement to the camera system would be the ability for route builders (and scenario authors for that matter) to place camera locations in a route and have one of the cameras able to jump to the closest of those pre-defined positions. Of course you can do that manually using the '8' camera, but its not quite the same thing .

Paul

[pistitom]

well then, thank You for Your time, I guess we'll just have to wait and see
best wishes

Pisti

[TheTazman]

Just need a Tran Spotter Cam position that places you on the end of a platform or on a foot bridge. But you can do that anyway with free cam.

[749006]

Not at the user end, no, you can fiddle with settings for the cameras such as the focal length (you'll see a few people sometimes post screenshots that look more like real photographs and that's one of the "tricks") but how the cameras are positioned is hard coded and so can't be changed by anyone other than RSC. Plus the sim doesn't know what the different scenery objects are (it just knows where something is and how big it is, not what it is, so it can't tell the difference between and a bush for example) so that type of filtering wouldn't be possible.

That said, we don't know any details, but there are apparently changes to the cameras coming in TS2014, so who knows...

Personally, I've always thought the best enhancement to the camera system would be the ability for route builders (and scenario authors for that matter) to place camera locations in a route and have one of the cameras able to jump to the closest of those pre-defined positions. Of course you can do that manually using the '8' camera, but its not quite the same thing .

Paul

One thing I liked about Trainz is you could add cameras or remove any of them, change the view or the motion.
Sometimes the camera is static and points in one direction and sometimes it will follow the train as you go past.
Also if there is not a camera in range it defaults to the equivlent of the outside view [2].

Peter

[deltic009]

Not at the user end, no, you can fiddle with settings for the cameras such as the focal length (you'll see a few people sometimes post screenshots that look more like real photographs and that's one of the "tricks") but how the cameras are positioned is hard coded and so can't be changed by anyone other than RSC. Plus the sim doesn't know what the different scenery objects are (it just knows where something is and how big it is, not what it is, so it can't tell the difference between and a bush for example) so that type of filtering wouldn't be possible.

That said, we don't know any details, but there are apparently changes to the cameras coming in TS2014, so who knows...

Personally, I've always thought the best enhancement to the camera system would be the ability for route builders (and scenario authors for that matter) to place camera locations in a route and have one of the cameras able to jump to the closest of those pre-defined positions. Of course you can do that manually using the '8' camera, but its not quite the same thing .

Paul

One thing I liked about Trainz is you could add cameras or remove any of them, change the view or the motion.
Sometimes the camera is static and points in one direction and sometimes it will follow the train as you go past.
Also if there is not a camera in range it defaults to the equivlent of the outside view [2].

Peter

This, along with OpenBVEs auto zooming trackside camera would be lineside camera heaven. I always liked the fact that in Trainz you could change which vehicle in the consist gets tracked by the panning camera as it seems silly for it to be the loco when

a) you have 40 wagons in tow, or
b) you are propelling.

[PaulH2]

I always liked the fact that in Trainz you could change which vehicle in the consist gets tracked by the panning camera

You can do that already in TS2013 (and indeed right back to the original Rail Simulator I think). When you're in the '4' camera, press Ctrl and the left or right arrows to change which vehicle in the consist the camera tracks, you can do the same from the '2' (or '3') cameras so that you follow a different vehicle.

Paul

[pistitom]

What about the "cinematic camera " object in scenario editor? I tried that, but to no avail. It did nothing. What is that ?