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Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:59 am
by TElsmore
Hi, thanks for that Steve, all sorted. Much better.

Cheers
Terrone.

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:20 pm
by 749006
TElsmore wrote:Hi, thanks for that Steve, all sorted. Much better.

Cheers
Terrone.
Just curious, Which setting did you change and what to?

Thanks

Peter

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:55 pm
by firetrap1
749006 wrote:
TElsmore wrote:Hi, thanks for that Steve, all sorted. Much better.

Cheers
Terrone.
Just curious, Which setting did you change and what to?

Thanks

Peter
Here is my version of the file to fix the camera position:

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<cBlueprintLoader xmlns:d="http://www.kuju.com/TnT/2003/Delta" d:version="1.0">
	<Blueprint>
		<cCabCameraBlueprint xmlns:d="http://www.kuju.com/TnT/2003/Delta" d:version="1.0">
			<Name d:type="cDeltaString">Class 87 cab cam</Name>
			<RenderComponent>
				<cCameraRenderBlueprint/>
			</RenderComponent>
			<UpdateComponent>
				<cCabCameraUpdateBlueprint>
					<camType d:type="sUInt32">1</camType>
					<cameraOffset>
						<cRVector3>
							<X d:type="sFloat32">-0.870000</X>
							<Y d:type="sFloat32">2.800000</Y>
							<Z d:type="sFloat32">7.250000</Z>
						</cRVector3>
					</cameraOffset>
					<cameraDirection>
						<cRVector3>
							<X d:type="sFloat32">-0.500000</X>
							<Y d:type="sFloat32">-0.250000</Y>
							<Z d:type="sFloat32">1.000000</Z>
						</cRVector3>
					</cameraDirection>
					<windowCameraOffset>
						<cRVector3>
							<X d:type="sFloat32">0.870000</X>
							<Y d:type="sFloat32">2.800000</Y>
							<Z d:type="sFloat32">7.250000</Z>
						</cRVector3>
					</windowCameraOffset>
					<windowCameraDirection>
						<cRVector3>
							<X d:type="sFloat32">0.000000</X>
							<Y d:type="sFloat32">0.000000</Y>
							<Z d:type="sFloat32">1.000000</Z>
						</cRVector3>
					</windowCameraDirection>
					<verticalDirectionalFreedom d:type="sFloat32">2.000000</verticalDirectionalFreedom>
					<horizontalDirectionalFreedom d:type="sFloat32">3.000000</horizontalDirectionalFreedom>
					<SpringXCoefficient d:type="sFloat32">0.100000</SpringXCoefficient>
					<SpringYCoefficient d:type="sFloat32">0.120000</SpringYCoefficient>
					<SpringZCoefficient d:type="sFloat32">0.060000</SpringZCoefficient>
					<DampingXCoefficient d:type="sFloat32">0.018000</DampingXCoefficient>
					<DampingYCoefficient d:type="sFloat32">0.015000</DampingYCoefficient>
					<DampingZCoefficient d:type="sFloat32">0.010000</DampingZCoefficient>
				</cCabCameraUpdateBlueprint>
			</UpdateComponent>
			<PosOriComponent>
				<cPosOriBlueprint/>
			</PosOriComponent>
		</cCabCameraBlueprint>
	</Blueprint>
</cBlueprintLoader>

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:41 pm
by TElsmore
749006 wrote:
TElsmore wrote:Hi, thanks for that Steve, all sorted. Much better.

Cheers
Terrone.
Just curious, Which setting did you change and what to?

Thanks

Peter
Hi. I changed the first 'x' value to 0.75

Cheers
Terrone

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:31 pm
by 749006
Thanks Firetrap and Terrone.

I will give it a go.

Peter

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:56 am
by K2rover
I have a question about the driving of the Class 86/87. I thought that I'd got the hang of driving these, but clearly I haven't. I was playing one of the Class 87 scenarios and the locomotive suddenly stopped drawing power after I had tried to reduce the throttle by tapping. I hadn't overloaded the amps and was firmly in the green, but the train soon stopped and I couldn't get it moving again. I didn't have a fault and everything on the dashboard seemed normal. Does this happen when the throttle goes into the off position whilst at speed? How do I get the train moving again when the throttle goes dead?

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:08 am
by dave13
K2rover wrote:I have a question about the driving of the Class 86/87. I thought that I'd got the hang of driving these, but clearly I haven't. I was playing one of the Class 87 scenarios and the locomotive suddenly stopped drawing power after I had tried to reduce the throttle by tapping. I hadn't overloaded the amps and was firmly in the green, but the train soon stopped and I couldn't get it moving again. I didn't have a fault and everything on the dashboard seemed normal. Does this happen when the throttle goes into the off position whilst at speed? How do I get the train moving again when the throttle goes dead?
Hi
If you put the throttle in the off position when the loco is moving then you need to let the tap indicator drop down to 0% then you can regain power :D
Dave:)

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:56 am
by K2rover
The throttle dropped to 0% automatically though from about 33% at around 60mph, and then I couldn't get it off 0% either whilst the train was still moving or when stopped, hence not being able to move the train. I'm confused.

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:48 am
by 749006
K2rover wrote:The throttle dropped to 0% automatically though from about 33% at around 60mph, and then I couldn't get it off 0% either whilst the train was still moving or when stopped, hence not being able to move the train. I'm confused.
Not sure if a 'Loco Fault' could be part of a scenario - one of the Scenarios I was using the other day had an Emergency Brake Application.

If it happens again
Move Power Handle to OFF
Push Pan Down - then Pan Up

Try again for power.

Peter

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:11 pm
by johnmckenzie
I have a question - why are there two transformer tap gauges in the cab of these locos? Only the left hand one seems to do anything - and the other would seem to be unneccesary anyway.

Any ideas?

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:11 pm
by ttjph
I've had a regular issue with the WCML-N 86 (not sure about the separate DLC version) where, after you go to Off from a high tap-changer position, it runs down part of the way but then gets bored and stops.

You can't take power until it's reached tap 0, but I've found that briefly going back to Run Down (29%) and then returning to Off gets it running down again; once it's reached 0 you can go back to Hold and then resume driving as normal.

In short: always watch the tap-changer meter!

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:18 pm
by AndyUK
johnmckenzie wrote:I have a question - why are there two transformer tap gauges in the cab of these locos? Only the left hand one seems to do anything - and the other would seem to be unneccesary anyway.

Any ideas?
The second one is to show the state of the tap changer on a loco working in mutliple with the driven one but is only a dummy in the sim.

Andy L

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:21 pm
by johnmckenzie
AndyUK wrote:
johnmckenzie wrote:I have a question - why are there two transformer tap gauges in the cab of these locos? Only the left hand one seems to do anything - and the other would seem to be unneccesary anyway.

Any ideas?
The second one is to show the state of the tap changer on a loco working in mutliple with the driven one but is only a dummy in the sim.

Andy L
Thanks, Andy - I did wonder if it was something like that

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:14 am
by firstborn
Hi folks,

I'm wondering if there is anyone working on a BR Blue skin for the Class 87?

Re: class 86 and class 87

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:47 am
by Fodda
firstborn wrote:I'm wondering if there is anyone working on a BR Blue skin for the Class 87?
I imagine RSC are doing just that for you and you'll be able to part with another £12 for it some time in October. :evilbat:
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