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Re: Which computer?

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gptech wrote:
Ximmy wrote:CORSAIR 750W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX750 V2-80 PLUS® BRONZE (£89)
Surely thats overkill for that system?
Not really, given that the other options were dual rail models---I take the view that a single 12V rail kicking out 40A + is the way to go. Certainly it gives more than a sensible minimum of 500W, or the nVidia specified minimum of 400W, but as PSUs degrade with age its better to fit (or have fitted) something that wil last. The 80 Plus rating means it's eficient and therefore less prone to over-heating and of course cheaper to run
At risk of going off on a tangent, but I'm curious: is individual rail capacity such an issue that we really need this level of surplus power? My system has an 800W Kingwin PSU and a 200W (TDP) graphics card (and a 65W CPU), but pulls little more than 300W at the plug running flat-out. Looked at another way, 200W at 12V is only 17A; and the GTX 650 mentioned above has a TDP of just 64W.

On efficiency, the curves I've been able to Google up suggest that to actually get 80% efficiency you need to be up around 60-70% of rated load, and it drops off quite a bit lower down.

Point taken about having some safety margin for aging in there, though - and I'm aware that there may be instantaneous power requirements that are too fast to show on a plug-in power meter...
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And gives headroom for any future upgrades to more power hungry components.

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ttjph wrote:At risk of going off on a tangent, but I'm curious: is individual rail capacity such an issue that we really need this level of surplus power?
I haven't done the sums, not since physics at school anyway, but the school of thought goes something along the lines of:

with power split over 2 rails, and when this reasoning was sold to me the usual figures were 20-25 amps on each, on paper there's plenty of power. Connect a device that uses a fair amount of juice, lets say 17A, and you're left with between 3 and 8 amps. Thats fine, as long as you don't connect anything that needs 10 amps.....

so.... 2 highish demand components, even though they don't take all the available amps, can leave you with as near as damn it not enough juice left to power what you want.
Don't forget that the wattage quoted on a PSU is what it's capable of, across all the voltage circuits, and not what it will actually be providing at any given time, and as the amps supplied rises for any given voltage then accordingly does the wattage.

Purely by coincidence, I have a 500W PSU sat on my desk that's about 2 years old, out of a chums PC who has just acquired a second 560 graphics card to runin SLI mode (from another mutual chum so we know it's a working card) and a brand new HDD to add to the 2 he already has fitted. Everything sort of worked, but he had issues with the new HDD suddenly being 'lost', odd bits of graphics corruption---all intermittently. OK, nVidia recommend at least a 650W PSU for SLI (so he informed me) but ust removing the GPU still left him with the HDD acting up. He brought it round here and we chucked in my PSU and it worked just as it should, the *broken* PSU has been checked in 3 (less demanding) systems with no issues but even though it's under the specs required for an SLI configuration it doesn't supply the needs when a further HDD is added. This PSU provides 24 amps on the primary rail, 22 on the secondary and admittedly it's a cheap and cheerful model---only markings on it are the ratings sticker but (to me) it reinforces the argument that you need the amps first and foremost, the wattage comes about more because of the maths...if you see what I mean.

To swing us back on topic a wee bit....I'll agree with the comments that the prices we've seen here are a tad high, but just like RSC these companies are in business to make a profit. my only qualm with anybody offering a custom build service is that generally you can only customise with what they have, and are willing to provide. The other option is a self build project, not that you'd save a lot but you'd get exactly what you wanted (or maybe more accurately in this case what you're TOLD is what you want :o )

However, I can't see Paul diving in and spending 6 or 7 hundred quid for something he's no idea how to put together so the only other option is to see if there's a local PC repair shop willing to do the job of assembling customer sourced components---if said customer can be bothered going that route of course. If nothing else it proves thee are pleny of options.

The real beauty of threads like this is the disparity of views we see, different opinions are great for helping folk decide what to buy, admittedly sometimes they ask more questions than they answer but themore informtion Paul has, the easier (eventually) his buying desicion will be to make.

EDIT:apologies for the spelling in places, but it's late...I need sleep...
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I am finding this all very usefull and quite fancy Gary's spec above except that I need a wireless internet connection. I seem to be able to do this for a marginally more cost and a different mother board.

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PWHolmes wrote:....I need a wireless internet connection. I seem to be able to do this for a marginally more cost and a different mother board.

Paul

You wouldn't need a new motherboard, Wi-fi can be handled easily by an add-on card to fit a PCI or PCI-e slot or you could use a USB 'dongle'. A card based solution would be best though :)


In my quick spec I initially posted, I opted for Windows 7 Professional, out of habit really as the Pro versions of Windows suit my needs but Home Premium (at 30 quid cheaper) would certainly suit most folk---a saving that more than offsets the addition of wireless capability.
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I have found this thread very useful in arriving at my decision to purchase a new PC (from SpherePC) in the coming weeks, but I have a question with regards to the OS. The vendor can pre-install either Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit or Windows 8 for an additional £80.

I have seen Windows 7 recommended on here many times, but what about Windows 8 - is it 64-bit? and how does it compare to Windows 7?

Also, if I decided to purchase the PC without a pre-installed OS, how easy is it to install one - is it just a case of inserting the discs?

Sorry for all the questions, but I am not too PC savvy so any help or advice offered, as always is greatly appreciated :)
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rfletcher72 wrote:I have seen Windows 7 recommended on here many times, but what about Windows 8 - is it 64-bit? and how does it compare to Windows 7?

Also, if I decided to purchase the PC without a pre-installed OS, how easy is it to install one - is it just a case of inserting the discs?
Windows 8 is 64 bit, and seems to bring a small improvement in memory management/performance over Win 7 but with a rather different interface than we're used to. Microsoft have recently announced that it will be receiving a 'face-lift' to bring back the 'Start' button to make it more like the operating systems we're used to. Personally I'd go for Win 7; it's established, robust, and well supported---there are questions about game developers not liking Win 8 and shunning it. There are a few members happily running Win 8 though, so wait a while for their responses and findings.

Whichever OS you choose, installing it is as simple as any other piece of software...insert the disc and follow the on-screen prompts. Going the self-install route does mean you have it configured just as you want from the outset though before starting it'd be worthwhile finding out what are considered 'best practices' with regard to configuration. A couple of very 'beginner friendly' resource are http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/ for Windows 7 and http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/ for Windows 8. Don't forget that Microsoft also offer a wealth of information, such as http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/wind ... -windows-7 though it often takes a bit of digging to find the useful bits!
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I have had W8 on a laptop for a year now, as an experiment, it was the "free trial version" W8 is microsofts answer to Apple and a touch screen (tablet) operating system. I really see no point in it yet, its ahead of itself and really only comes into its own if you have a touch screen/s. I'm a firm advocate of W7 Pro (64bit), its as solid as a rock, almost self healing when I have had a rare problem.
Having 64 bit is slightly questionable as there is a lack of 64bit software but I think its worth it because of the memory advantages, I only have 4Gb, just about to make it 8Gb and you can see from pic 64bit allows RW to use more memory than 32bit. If you can afford to, buy your own copy of W7 as pre-installed does not normally give you the raw discs so you can re-install etc etc. When I bought W7 it came with 2 discs, 32 and 64 Bit versions. Good luck. John
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Thank you Gary and John for your helpful replies.

I have decided to plump for Windows 7, and to acquire the PC minus an OS as I can pick up W7 seperately and save a few bob in doing so :)

Thanks again,

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