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Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:01 pm
by rkk01
Have moved TS2013 to a different HD, using advice found on here - ie setting up a new steam library, copying files across and then installing from steam.
This has worked, but I have ended up with an RSC only installation. No JT, DT, AP, or UKTS freeware. That's not a problem, as I can reinstall.
BUT I can't get RW to recognise my own WIP Llantrisant route. All files safely backed up beforehand of course!
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:03 pm
by MGD11
Erm, copying steam (and hence Railworks) is done differently.
You copy the "SteamApps" folder and "Steam.exe" file to the new location, and then use the "Steam.exe", which repopulates the new file system with the actual Steam program, which IIRC is done from the exe itself.
Even if you had already installed Steam (and Steam only), you could still copy the "SteamApps" (or just "railworks", if you prefer) and it would be complete with all the extra DLC. Sounds like what you did was create a new steam install and download TS2013 again.
EDIT: If you have backed up your WIP route, installing the .RWP will get your route back again.
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:18 pm
by rkk01
Erm, copying steam (and hence Railworks) is done differently.
Which is why I followed the advice on here!...
Just to be clear - I didn't try to move Steam. That has stayed on the original HD.
I copied my Railworks file structure across to the new Steam library structure on the new drive, and then did a TS install from within Steam.
ETA I have redirected TS utilities to the new location, and refreshing this shows all my old non RSC DLC and my own developer route to be in place. The files are all in place in the file structure as well- just nothing showing in the TS menus...
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:31 pm
by gptech
rkk01 wrote:Just to be clear - I didn't try to move Steam.
Which is probably why it's gone base over apex...all the advice in here relates to
moving a steam installation, what you've done is create a new instance which doesn't *know* about your missing stuff.
Does the original installation still work?
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:37 pm
by rkk01
This is what I worked through...
nobkins wrote:jimmyshand wrote:Steam aren't doing themselves any favours by not making it easy to mix and match installation locations.
Hi Jimmy, The procedure I outlined was how to move a game (TrainSimulator 2013) from an existing installing to a new location (a seperate steam library on another driver). That is slightly harder to do as steam have not added a "Move game" option. However, it is only 10 steps in total and although it takes a little time it is not too difficult.
However, it is very easy to to install new games to any location you like. Just create a steam library as I outlined above and then when you install the game steam will ask which library you want to install it to. You can have lots of different libraries on lots of different drivers.
Here is how you would create and install a new game to a seperate drive (assuming you have not got a steam library already configured on that driver):
1: Launch steam and select open up your steam settings (from the steam menu top left)
2: Select the "Downloads and Cloud" tab
3: Click Steam Library Folders button at bottom of tab (screenshot below is thanks to DaveDewhurst and copied from another thread on UKTS)
4: Create a new steam library folder on your new hard driver
5: Install the game in the normal way from steam (Train Simulator or anything else) but when it asks which library to install it to ensure you choose your new library
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:47 pm
by MGD11
Also, Steam won't count stuff it doesn't officially support (i.e. the 3rd party DLC not approved by RSC) for cloud, which is why you're having issues.
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 8:54 pm
by gptech
rkk01 wrote:This is what I worked through...
nobkins wrote:jimmyshand wrote:Steam aren't doing themselves any favours by not making it easy to mix and match installation locations.
Hi Jimmy, The procedure I outlined was how to move a game (TrainSimulator 2013) from an existing installing to a new location (a seperate steam library on another driver). That is slightly harder to do as steam have not added a "Move game" option. However, it is only 10 steps in total and although it takes a little time it is not too difficult.
etc,,,,(sorry Jim for cutting your post short)
That's not about moving a Steam instalation, but a separate discussion about whether it was possible to have parts of the game on one drive, and parts on another...
So...once again, does the original installation still work?
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:10 pm
by rkk01
no - no exe files left in that install
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:42 pm
by gptech
rkk01 wrote:no - no exe files left in that install
OK, so that's pretty much screwed then and we can only view it as a file archive of your assets and content.
A re-installation of Steam/TS2013 will only deal with *officially* recognised files, so your DT/AP ets files won't be re-downloaded, but there's no reason why copying revisd files over shouldn't work---the platform is pretty open in that respect.
If your new installation works fine, and
if it still works fine after re-installing your missing stuff and all you're left with is a problem accessing your route it's not too hard a job to fix that (in theory)
Make sure you're absolutely 100% sure that everything else works as it should, then make sure again just to be on the safer side of safe and see if you can create a new route using the same route template as you did for your WIP of Llantrisant---if you can succeed in getting a nice blank route all you have to do is copy over the old folders into the new routes main folder; this means of course that your route will have a new alphha-numerical identifer in the game but as it's WIP I don't see that as a big issue.
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:45 pm
by rkk01
Currently restoring my pre-move back-up. See if I can get the original running again...
... and then try the move.
Unfortunately TS has outgrown it's original home, so the move is vital
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:24 pm
by rkk01
Dammit - that hasn't worked either. Because Steam now thinks my TS is elsewhere??
Would a system resotore help?
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:59 pm
by gptech
Only if your Steam folders were included as part of the restore point.
I'd just get rid of the new installation and re-install Steam, and thus TS2013. When it wants to download all your DLC pause the process and copy over your assets and routes. Verifying the game should then get you up and running properly.
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:17 pm
by gptech
Just a thought....but if you followed the instructions for creating libraries in different locations Steam may apply that setting to any new installation. Make sure you have good backups of your goodies and reset Steam to have games in the default locations.
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:09 pm
by rkk01
Phew - Llantrisant recovered
A Windows system restore reset my E: drive as my main Steam library location and reinstated the railworks.exe file. RW now works the same as before the attempted HD move, with all DLC and Llantrisant all present and correct. Route opens in the editor, so all looks good.
So then, how to move to a new HD, without the same amount of drama!!!
And, how to make route backups that can actually be restored, when the need arises. That was way too close a shave
Re: Installation Move Problem
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:48 pm
by gptech
rkk01 wrote:So then, how to move to a new HD, without the same amount of drama!!!
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_art ... -YUBN-8129
rkk01 wrote:And, how to make route backups that can actually be restored, when the need arises
The problem was more due to how you'd gone about shifting Steam rather than one with the route backup, but a straight copy of files is more than adequate for back up purposes.