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92212 wrote:I think driving steam loco's needs to be a challenge! If our wheelslip function makes it more challenging for you then I think that's better. I'd rather have a steam loco slip like it does than not slip at all!!

Regards
Matt

Absolutely agree Matt.

I quite enjoyed the changes to the Black 5 on WLOS, however I found that when trying a Black 5 on Woodhead (the "WH Black5 Dirty Engine") that your changes to the friction values had not been applied? The 'Default' loco had been modified though. So I modified them myself, but no matter how much throttle is applied, it does not seem to want to slip. Very odd. I was using the scenario "From one snowy field to another" as a test.

Is there something else that affects the onset of wheel slip?

Cheers.

Oh, fantastic sound pack too by the way

After finding the Black 5s for WLOS and changing all the bin files as suggested by Matt I'm able to finish the Solway Trader scenario.

JustRight wrote:...... I found that when trying a Black 5 on Woodhead (the "WH Black5 Dirty Engine") that your changes to the friction values had not been applied? The 'Default' loco had been modified though. .......but no matter how much throttle is applied, it does not seem to want to slip. Very odd. I was using the scenario "From one snowy field to another" as a test.

Is there something else that affects the onset of wheel slip?

Same here. I have not been able to get any Default or Woodhead Black 5 in a slip either (don't have WLOS yet). Incidentally I have been testing with the "From one snowy field to another" scenario as well but no joy. Are we doing something wrong Matt?

Jos

JustRight wrote:......................................I quite enjoyed the changes to the Black 5 on WLOS, however I found that when trying a Black 5 on Woodhead (the "WH Black5 Dirty Engine") that your changes to the friction values had not been applied? The 'Default' loco had been modified though. So I modified them myself, but no matter how much throttle is applied, it does not seem to want to slip. Very odd. I was using the scenario "From one snowy field to another" as a test.

Is there something else that affects the onset of wheel slip?......................................

I didn't make any modifications to the WH Black 5 Dirty Engine because it's freeware. I didn't feel it was appropriate. If you adjust the friction values, as shown previously, you should find the loco more likely to slip, under right conditions.

black8 wrote: Same here. I have not been able to get any Default or Woodhead Black 5 in a slip either (don't have WLOS yet). Incidentally I have been testing with the "From one snowy field to another" scenario as well but no joy. Are we doing something wrong Matt?

Jos

The default and woodhead(not reskins) black 5's should slip with the sounds to go along with them. But I'm afraid the wheelslip function in TS is rather quirky and unpredictable. Set up a scenario with rain and a heavy train behind the loco and it'll be more likely to slip! But I cannot guarantee it!

Regards
Matt

92212 wrote:I didn't make any modifications to the WH Black 5 Dirty Engine because it's freeware. I didn't feel it was appropriate. If you adjust the friction values, as shown previously, you should find the loco more likely to slip, under right conditions.

The default and woodhead(not reskins) black 5's should slip with the sounds to go along with them. But I'm afraid the wheelslip function in TS is rather quirky and unpredictable. Set up a scenario with rain and a heavy train behind the loco and it'll be more likely to slip! But I cannot guarantee it!

Regards
Matt

Ah yes, the "WH Black 5 Dirty Engine" is indeed freeware (UKTS 30129), my apologies. I have edited this to match your changes to the 'Default', but TS2013's behavior on Woodhead seems different. Or perhaps the train is not heavy enough? Although from standstill I can whack the regulator up to 100% and the loco will just pull away, with lot's of fabulous SSS sounds to go with it.

Thanks mate.

There seems to be more than just the weather's and the loco's friction factors at work in this effect. I've had a loco run fine in a scenario, turn onto a different track and slip like a mad thing on WLOS. On Woodhead, I found that slip is difficult to get between Manchester and Dinting but the climb from Dinting to Woodhead is very hard with the sound-pack's friction settings.

Keith

Rockdoc2174 wrote:There seems to be more than just the weather's and the loco's friction factors at work in this effect. I've had a loco run fine in a scenario, turn onto a different track and slip like a mad thing on WLOS. On Woodhead, I found that slip is difficult to get between Manchester and Dinting but the climb from Dinting to Woodhead is very hard with the sound-pack's friction settings.
Keith

Yes, it must be something else that has an effect on the slipping. Could it be that different sections of rail, in Woodhead for example, have different 'track rules'. Don't get me wrong, I know the word but do not really know what it is , but I could imagine that these rules include several parameters that could have an effect on the slipping of loco's in TS2013.

Anyway, I have changed the values for friction on the dirty Woodhead Black 5 even lower than the values that Matt indicated to have used for the default B5 and fimally got it to slip, actually still had to 'help' a bit, but I still have not been succesful to have it slip in the violent manner, for example when departing a station, as you can see in Matt's video. Also the slipping sound did not kick in all the time when the wheels were actually slipping. Must do some more experimenting on different track. Perhaps Matt can tell us what type of track (trackrule?) he used the most when he tested the slipping sounds?

Besides this, the sounds are just wonderful and so 'real'. I even start to recognize the different hissing sounds, and know that for example the blower is still on or the brakes have not been set to running. Great job, Matt & Mark
Jos

Jos, the slip sound doesn't appear with the WH dirty Black 5 because it wasn't modified by the package. That's why we're having to change the friction settings manually. This loco still has the sound set Matt did separately for Brian and they don't include a slip sound. No doubt there are ways and means of including it but I wouldn't know where to start.

Keith

Thanks Keith, this is good to know. That also explains why on Brian's dirty B5 there is a second steam whistle under B. I will do some more testing with the default Black 5 then.

Jos

Hi,

I've been having difficulty with the Woodhead Black 5s. With the sound pack applied, the locos now have the problem of textures "spilling" across the whole screen (both as player and passing AI), and no sounds. The S&D Black 5s are unaffected and work as they should. However, the Woodhead 8F seemed to change exhaust sound to that of this pack (other sounds are unchanged). All I've been able to do so far is to verify game cache and remove the sounds.

Does anybody here have any advice? Or has experienced a similar problem?

Thanks

AN

Having applied the pack over the weekend (and read previous posts!) I am impressed with the strides doeward the sim has taken. (It was the same after the 4MT sound pack).

However, having tried to walk away from Stranraer Harbour in both wet and dry conditions, I think perhaps the B5 is a little too prone to slip! The big 'un is quite sure footed (nothing like a Bulleid which will behave in the way the B5 does in the sim). I've tried real - life driving techniques ie . initially "pump" the regulator allowing for the delay in steam reaching the cylinders, linking up as soon as I can , and being smooth in laying down the power...yet still she slips! I'd find it difficult to time the train like this!

Loving the fact we've now got wheelsliprealism etc, but just a little bit toned down?

Kevin, check page 3 of this thread. Matt outlines the variable that relates to wheel slip. From what I understand its more of an art than a science but tinkering with that number should allow you to fine tune things.

After reading comments, I'm looking forward to trying this soundpack.
Just purchased it but my download link expired instantly!
Guess I'll have to do some work in the garden while I wait for things to be fixed....

Nick

Same here

Mark

Yeah very sorry chaps download links sent manually again. We're trying to get an automated download to work with little success so it's back to manually sending them out. No big deal at the moment.

Thanks for your patience today.

Regards
Matt@SteamSoundsSupreme