Bring on the Blues...?

[briyeo1950]

There are, over 25 very high standard BR Blue diesel, electric, DMU and EMU items available, the demand for more is understandable, we always want more.

[rabid]

Yep plenty of BR blue stuff aroynd if you know where to look

I do know where to look....

But still don't agree. From what I see there is lack of BR blue era diesels to current standards

ETA - IMO there are NO decent scenarios around for this sim - BR blue, steam whatever...

The lack of access to assets is REALLY frustrating. Pretty much every scenario that is available (outside supplied route / DLC scenarios) is defunct as far as new users are concerned

I think that there is definite room for improvement and certain models are being steadily updated, but we're not too badly off. The lack of 1st gen AC electrics and MUs is frustrating I agree, but even more so the fact that a class 91 + Mk4 set is not available for the late BR and current era is almost a crime. I am at a total loss as to why RSC wants to make another A4 when there are such scandalous gaps in UK rolling stock!

[david1]

There is a lot more stock needed, the trainsim world is niche market but were are not getting catered for, it is aright saying that it is a business and delelopers need to make money but most of the new customers they are trying to attract dont bring in much money, with TS2013 they try to attract gamers but a lot of these try a game for a few months then move to something new where as enthuiasts are here for the long haul, i have around 90% of the traction available the remaining is what i dont want. most people on here are the same we need new content and there is money to be made from us. The sim is now 7 years old so we should have a much better collection of stock to work with. We can not run a `real` feel sim with missing stock take WCML for the blue era we are misssing class 107, 303 & 314 for local services in the Glasgow area, not to mention the lack of a class 87 (which DT are making) which was the mainstay of the route on London - Glasgow expresses. Even modern day it is short of classes 185 & 334. London - Brighton is another route with loads of missing traction to have a real feel route.

Just wondering if anyone else feels like me thats likes the blue era, we like this era when trains were trains and only like to be hauled by locomovtives and in the sim world prefer to drive only locos, have a drive of a few units also, why can we not have a collection of low quaility 1st generation units in a pack, we could use them as AI only trains and would add realism and feel to some of the great routes available. I have a few freeware items of traction that are poor compared to payware products, but none the less very usefull and much appreciated by the people that have taken the time to make them with limited resources and share them with the community.

[TransportSteve]

There is a lot more stock needed, the trainsim world is niche market but were are not getting catered for, it is aright saying that it is a business and delelopers need to make money but most of the new customers they are trying to attract dont bring in much money, with TS2013 they try to attract gamers but a lot of these try a game for a few months then move to something new where as enthuiasts are here for the long haul, i have around 90% of the traction available the remaining is what i dont want. most people on here are the same we need new content and there is money to be made from us. The sim is now 7 years old so we should have a much better collection of stock to work with. We can not run a `real` feel sim with missing stock take WCML for the blue era we are misssing class 107, 303 & 314 for local services in the Glasgow area, not to mention the lack of a class 87 (which DT are making) which was the mainstay of the route on London - Glasgow expresses. Even modern day it is short of classes 185 & 334. London - Brighton is another route with loads of missing traction to have a real feel route.
Just wondering if anyone else feels like me thats likes the blue era, we like this era when trains were trains and only like to be hauled by locomovtives and in the sim world prefer to drive only locos, have a drive of a few units also, why can we not have a collection of low quaility 1st generation units in a pack, we could use them as AI only trains and would add realism and feel to some of the great routes available. I have a few freeware items of traction that are poor compared to payware products, but none the less very usefull and much appreciated by the people that have taken the time to make them with limited resources and share them with the community.

+ 10

I could not agree more with you David, we ought to make you RSC's Marketing Director, we might get something done then.
If it wasn't for the likes of Dave Brindley who created the freeware leccy locomotives in the UKTS library, Richard Scott and Darren Carter for the refurbished London Underground Tube Stock, neither of which RSC have built for the community, and the many excellent reskinners over the years, who've catered with various liveries, weathering and logos for the bland locomotives that RSC have released, we would be in an even poorer state of affairs than we are now, and that's for all Steam, Diesel and Electric locomotives.

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

[jimmyshand]

Well said David1, there are a core of people with this sim who are in it for the long haul and have been since day one. People who have traditionally bought lots of DLC and helped put the sim on the map and put RSC in the priviledged position they are now in. We know what we like and what we want but the frustration of RSC completely ignoring it and chasing after "gamers" is nauseating!!

Much of the UK "proper" locomotive DLC is very dated now, that's a fact. RSC have dabbled with re-releasing older products but have not always done it properly, i.e Class 101. I for one would gladly pay full price again for a totally reworked and up to date model of class 31, 33, 37, 47, Deltic etc. I'd also like to see RSC versions of Class 25-27, 40, Peaks, 56, Western, 81-85, 87 etc with access to AP pro-soundpacks.

All of the classes above are showing their age now when compared to 'classy' releases like the class 57 and several of the DMU/EMU fleet.

[rkk01]

Much of the UK "proper" locomotive DLC is very dated now, that's a fact. RSC have dabbled with re-releasing older products but have not always done it properly, i.e Class 101. I for one would gladly pay full price again for a totally reworked and up to date model of class 31, 33, 37, 47, Deltic etc. I'd also like to see RSC versions of Class 25-27, 40, Peaks, 56, Western, 81-85, 87 etc with access to AP pro-soundpacks.

Pretty much my point. Add in the fact that for many of you, this stuff is already on your HDs, but for me, BR blue is thd default Kuju assets plus a DT 40. Almost all the 37 reskins are for the withdrawn 37 pack, as are the bulk of scenarios. Might have to get the 20, 31 & 33... 37, 45 and 50 would be so much better!

[copedavid500]

I would gladly pay good money for a good set of ac electrics for the WCML. As previously mentioned the 87 was the main traction for express trains certainly in the seventies and eighties blue era. Surely it would not be a massive job to make a class 87 from the 86 model, different front end and cab detail, the sounds are very similar. Also I would like to see a version of the 86 with the GEC/AEI cross arm pantograph of which some were fitted in the seventies as were the 87's.
The classes 81 to 85 would be also very welcome but the sounds may be more difficult to find. I recall that the 81's and 85's sounded the same but the 82's-84's all had different distinctive sounds.
Not wishing to criticise RSC as I think the sim itself is excellent but a bit more research and variation of stock for a route would be welcome.
DT have released a ai class 87 but it is only in Inter city livery at present minus nameplates.

[ihavenonamenoreallyidont]

There are, over 25 very high standard BR Blue diesel, electric, DMU and EMU items available, the demand for more is understandable, we always want more.

Be interested in a definition there because I am fairly confident it'd be different to mine

[davejc64]

I would like to see more BR era routes from RSC as well, another section of the WCML maybe, or a electrified era section of the ECML with a Class 91 + Mk4 set, or how about a Suburban style route based around say Birmingham, Liverpool or Manchester set during BR era or dare I say it, The Chiltern Mainline London Marylebone to Birmingham route.

[briyeo1950]

There are, over 25 very high standard BR Blue diesel, electric, DMU and EMU items available, the demand for more is understandable, we always want more.

Be interested in a definition there because I am fairly confident it'd be different to mine

If the current top developers standards are not good enough for you. I just don't know where you will find what you want, maybe that is part of the perceived problem here I'm sure putting down developers effort's isn't going to help a great deal though.

[adrianinwales]

In the modelling world, years ago, it seemed the commercial producers operated pretty much in isolation from their customers. However, in more recent times this has all changed.
Each year there is some kind of real customer poll of their "wishes" and rather than being a paper exercise I wonder if this doesn't result in customers gradually getting what they want.
I believe that RSC do invite suggestions from time to time re future products, but there doesn't seem to be the same dialogue, as exists in the model world, between decision makers and customers.
A couple of previous posters referred, quite correctly, to the solid hard core enthusiasts that permanently support the sim. These are the folk who's views could and should be taken into account at least in part when decisions are to be made re new models etc.
However, it's not just about going through the motions on a Facebook page - the key surely is dialogue and the rewards to both sides must be pretty attractive.

Adrian

PS at 16.48 Sat ..............come on Wales!!!!

[rkk01]

What's the RSC 31 like

Looks good in the vid clip on RSC - but do the sounds do justice?

[MallardFan]

What's the RSC 31 like

Looks good in the vid clip on RSC - but do the sounds do justice?

For the sounds you want AP - nothing but the best

[davejc64]

What's the RSC 31 like

Looks good in the vid clip on RSC - but do the sounds do justice?

No rain effect on windows since they haven't bothered to update it, sounds are good enough as far as I'm concerned.

[rkk01]

What's the RSC 31 like

Looks good in the vid clip on RSC - but do the sounds do justice?

No rain effect on windows since they haven't bothered to update it, sounds are good enough as far as I'm concerned.

That's just inexplicable, surely...? is there a "switch" referenced in the readme to enable "enhanced" function?
To withdraw a model for TS2013 compliance checks / edits and then re-launch without full TS2013 compliance seems bonkers - especially when the "default" / Kuju 37, 55 etc all need to have have working wipers to see out when it's raining

Parallels with the "discontinued 37" thread, and comments about the 50.
As others have said - some clear info on the intended strategy would help