Bring on the Blues...?

[briyeo1950]

I still see/hear 37's 47's 20's most days where I work, the 37's still have a bit of a thrash, sometimes 3 or 4 mixed 37's and 47's coupled together. the 20's four at a time take the new London Underground stock down South.

[david1]

At least its not just me that hankers on for the BR blue era, when trains were real that is a loco and stock not this plastic rubbish we have today, was never a fan of steam thats proberly because steam had gone when i was young born in 1966, never used to see why my older generation liked them so much they all sounded the same to me, i know thats not true but i did not have much intrested in them, i have since grown to like them as they do have charactor and now have come to know why people from the steam era hated the new diesels like we hate the modern plastics with no charactor. we need more of the old blue era multiple units to add some of the great routes we have on here to bring back that long lost era of rail blue.

[spellow3010]

Slightly off topic -
on the note about steam locos all sounding the same. For me, the LNWR Super D 0-8-0 had a wonderfully distinctive breathing sound to it's exhaust beat. With just 1 survivor today, and a runner thanks to Pete Waterman, I would love to see and hear a Super D on a heavy coal train in TS2013...

Back on topic,
it's not just locos and stock that we crave either. To be fair, we have most of the wagons we need, the coaches seem to be all available apart from a Mk.2 drivable DBSO, Mk 3 DVT etc... Instead though, remember that the 1970s to 1990s period had an environment all of it's own. Had it's own lettering font and general style. The London to Brighton route is nice, but you have to suspend your true belief when driving the blue and grey CIGs/Veps etc (did anyone actually buy the BIG in the end?) through it.

Network Southeast days too - everything painted red... benches, lamp posts... fences etc.

Lots to go at... if only I had talent.

[andynwt]

Plenty of BR Blue out there for the sim, it's not perfect but it does the job. Rosgar make lots of fun scenarios to run them with.

[jimmyshand]

At least its not just me that hankers on for the BR blue era, when trains were real that is a loco and stock not this plastic rubbish we have today, was never a fan of steam thats proberly because steam had gone when i was young born in 1966, never used to see why my older generation liked them so much they all sounded the same to me, i know thats not true but i did not have much intrested in them, i have since grown to like them as they do have charactor and now have come to know why people from the steam era hated the new diesels like we hate the modern plastics with no charactor. we need more of the old blue era multiple units to add some of the great routes we have on here to bring back that long lost era of rail blue.

I agree with you completely, as a youth in the 1970's/80's I never understood the fascination with steam, it just looked like dirty hard work to me and I could never understand how you could drive a steam loco with practically no view of the track ahead! I used to look on in envy at drivers of 37's, 47's etc as they rode around piloting those magnificent, powerful, noisy machines, perched high in the cab with their unique and commanding views of the line ahead. Sitting at the helm of a big diesel locomotive was a role that looked so much more engaging and dramatic than standing on a dirty, smokey footplate shovelling coal or peering through a tiny portal down the side of a boiler! It's only been in later life that I've come to understand why people loved steam, through seeing my own beloved classic diesel loco's wiped out by the modern plastic unit surge.

I guess it all boils down to what you were brought up around.

However that said, for the life of me I can't understand how anyone could rustle up any interest in modern plastic units. They really are characterless, soundless and are basically just coaches with cabs. I suppose the death of the locomotive would explain why there are less enthusiasts to be seen at stations these days. Back in the 1980's platforms at every station on the network were awash with spotters, hundreds of them everywhere. Not anymore, other than a scattering at major hubs like Crewe maybe.

[MallardFan]

I second that for a "thumper". I spent 3 years in the 80s going to college on one every day and really wish someone would make one for TS2013.

I Third the thumper!

the DEMUs are what are lacking!

What routes did the Thumpers run on?

Quite a few of the South-East Routes, and quite a few are preserved - I saw one at the Spa Valley Railway (which is availible for RW here, and a nice little route at that)

[rkk01]

Back in the day, 47's were the quieter of the bunch but as this thing approached the climb at Hemerdon you could literally feel the throb of the diesel through the ground and the soundwaves through the air from about a mile away!

Should have been a 50

Don't get me wrong, I love steam engines too, especially GW and Stanier's Swindon inspired LMS engines!

[rabid]

Yep plenty of BR blue stuff aroynd if you know where to look, just have trouble finding scenarios to run 'em. Fastline do a nice scenario pack for that era.

[koenig]

I second that for a "thumper". I spent 3 years in the 80s going to college on one every day and really wish someone would make one for TS2013.

I Third the thumper!

the DEMUs are what are lacking!

What routes did the Thumpers run on?

up until around 1986 i think, they ran on London to Hastings line

[Clemmo47]

There are quite a lot of good scenarios for BR blue ,on SECML , E-G and Central Route for instance plus other routes.
You need the blue assets from another site for most of them.

[rkk01]

Yep plenty of BR blue stuff aroynd if you know where to look

I do know where to look....

But still don't agree. From what I see there is lack of BR blue era diesels to current standards

ETA - IMO there are NO decent scenarios around for this sim - BR blue, steam whatever...

The lack of access to assets is REALLY frustrating. Pretty much every scenario that is available (outside supplied route / DLC scenarios) is defunct as far as new users are concerned

[briyeo1950]

There are, over 25 very high standard BR Blue diesel, electric, DMU and EMU items available, the demand for more is understandable, we always want more.

[rabid]

Yep plenty of BR blue stuff aroynd if you know where to look

I do know where to look....

But still don't agree. From what I see there is lack of BR blue era diesels to current standards

ETA - IMO there are NO decent scenarios around for this sim - BR blue, steam whatever...

The lack of access to assets is REALLY frustrating. Pretty much every scenario that is available (outside supplied route / DLC scenarios) is defunct as far as new users are concerned

I think that there is definite room for improvement and certain models are being steadily updated, but we're not too badly off. The lack of 1st gen AC electrics and MUs is frustrating I agree, but even more so the fact that a class 91 + Mk4 set is not available for the late BR and current era is almost a crime. I am at a total loss as to why RSC wants to make another A4 when there are such scandalous gaps in UK rolling stock!

[david1]

There is a lot more stock needed, the trainsim world is niche market but were are not getting catered for, it is aright saying that it is a business and delelopers need to make money but most of the new customers they are trying to attract dont bring in much money, with TS2013 they try to attract gamers but a lot of these try a game for a few months then move to something new where as enthuiasts are here for the long haul, i have around 90% of the traction available the remaining is what i dont want. most people on here are the same we need new content and there is money to be made from us. The sim is now 7 years old so we should have a much better collection of stock to work with. We can not run a `real` feel sim with missing stock take WCML for the blue era we are misssing class 107, 303 & 314 for local services in the Glasgow area, not to mention the lack of a class 87 (which DT are making) which was the mainstay of the route on London - Glasgow expresses. Even modern day it is short of classes 185 & 334. London - Brighton is another route with loads of missing traction to have a real feel route.

Just wondering if anyone else feels like me thats likes the blue era, we like this era when trains were trains and only like to be hauled by locomovtives and in the sim world prefer to drive only locos, have a drive of a few units also, why can we not have a collection of low quaility 1st generation units in a pack, we could use them as AI only trains and would add realism and feel to some of the great routes available. I have a few freeware items of traction that are poor compared to payware products, but none the less very usefull and much appreciated by the people that have taken the time to make them with limited resources and share them with the community.

[TransportSteve]

There is a lot more stock needed, the trainsim world is niche market but were are not getting catered for, it is aright saying that it is a business and delelopers need to make money but most of the new customers they are trying to attract dont bring in much money, with TS2013 they try to attract gamers but a lot of these try a game for a few months then move to something new where as enthuiasts are here for the long haul, i have around 90% of the traction available the remaining is what i dont want. most people on here are the same we need new content and there is money to be made from us. The sim is now 7 years old so we should have a much better collection of stock to work with. We can not run a `real` feel sim with missing stock take WCML for the blue era we are misssing class 107, 303 & 314 for local services in the Glasgow area, not to mention the lack of a class 87 (which DT are making) which was the mainstay of the route on London - Glasgow expresses. Even modern day it is short of classes 185 & 334. London - Brighton is another route with loads of missing traction to have a real feel route.
Just wondering if anyone else feels like me thats likes the blue era, we like this era when trains were trains and only like to be hauled by locomovtives and in the sim world prefer to drive only locos, have a drive of a few units also, why can we not have a collection of low quaility 1st generation units in a pack, we could use them as AI only trains and would add realism and feel to some of the great routes available. I have a few freeware items of traction that are poor compared to payware products, but none the less very usefull and much appreciated by the people that have taken the time to make them with limited resources and share them with the community.

+ 10

I could not agree more with you David, we ought to make you RSC's Marketing Director, we might get something done then.
If it wasn't for the likes of Dave Brindley who created the freeware leccy locomotives in the UKTS library, Richard Scott and Darren Carter for the refurbished London Underground Tube Stock, neither of which RSC have built for the community, and the many excellent reskinners over the years, who've catered with various liveries, weathering and logos for the bland locomotives that RSC have released, we would be in an even poorer state of affairs than we are now, and that's for all Steam, Diesel and Electric locomotives.

Cheerz. Transport Steve.