IoW Loco (terrier) problem

[firstborn]

Hi, can i just confirm something?

I've just got around to trying the Isle of Wight Network rolling stock and scenarios, and i can't see out of the cab windows of the Terrier loco because there is some strange effect going on (i've seen similar pictures on other topics) where it looks like a stray texture that is all stretched



Does everyone have this? - i searched the forum and can't find anyone else talking about this

Is there a way to fix it? - i searched the download area and can't see any kind of patch

I noticed the cab is the same cab as Invincible from the other Isle of Wight (steam version), so i thought i better check that loco as well in case i'd broken something, but it works absolutely fine. So i am a bit confused why the cab works fine on that loco but not on the Terrier loco

[metrobus]

I think that occurs due to messed up material on the window, if it is then it would be unfixable without the original 3dsm files. Alternatively you'd need to recopy the components from a working engine which is easier said than done
regards
Edward

[firstborn]

I think i know what you are saying.

However. The Terrier doesn't have it's own cab or cab files. It is using the Invincible cab (which definitely works fine).

I know nothing about the construction of loco models, but (purely as an experiment) i just tried something.....

I took the 'invincible' engine.bin file, and basically used that for the terrier. I edited the file top to bottom, and just replaced the relevant bits for the Terrier main loco shapes & textures, plus the bits like engine mass and boiler pressures etc. (getting these figures from the proper terrier engine.bin)

(Effectively what i was trying to do was make an 'invincible' loco just wearing the Terriers clothes

Went into the Test Trak and put the loco down - while it is functionally fine (moves, stops, steams, couples, etc), the windows are still broke... so that's not the way to go

I don't really understand it honestly, as the loco file structure itself is very simple, it's just the engine.bin, engine shapes and textures, and animation files - with all cab stuff handled by Invincible

That only leaves the Terriers main loco shape file that could be causing the issue doesn't it? - but i don't know why that would be if the cab is a completely separate shape file

[cilldroichid]

Just to let you know your not on your own, Firstborn,i also have the same problem with the Terrier windows.

I recall posts about other loco's where the problem was caused by a upgrade to the original loco which then upset any repaints, etc, made before the upgrade. Has the Invincible been upgraded since the Southern cab alias were released?

[jivebunny]

Invincible has had the TS2013 treatment, what you're seeing is what cilldroichid has described, a reskin that's aliasing an updated cab but which doesn't have the relevant references. I'm not sure if there's been an update released for the DT or IOW Terriers (I can't find them in the library, in any case) but if you have RW_Tools then you can search for and then open up the IOW Terrier's .bin file, hit F2 to search for </controlvalues>, hit Enter to start a new line, and paste in the following lines of code from the IOW 0-4-0.

Hope this helps!

JB

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<WiperPairs>
						<cControlContainerBlueprint-cWiperPair d:id="57294168">
							<SlaveToAnimationA d:type="cDeltaString"></SlaveToAnimationA>
							<SlaveToAnimationB d:type="cDeltaString"></SlaveToAnimationB>
							<TextureID d:type="cDeltaString"></TextureID>
							<NormalsTextureID d:type="cDeltaString">RSDL\IslandLine\RailVehicles\Steam\W37_0-4-0ST\Default\CabView\textures\[00]Invin_cabalphanorm_nm</NormalsTextureID>
						</cControlContainerBlueprint-cWiperPair>
					</WiperPairs>

[firstborn]

Yes this looks a big help, but where did you find that code JB?

I had read this topic: http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... &sk=t&sd=a

...and was therefore on the look out for some similar code, but there is nothing like that in my IoW 0-4-0 (Invincible) engine.bin is it in a different file? I'm somewhat confused now

[jivebunny]

That was taken straight out of the IOW Invincible's .bin file. It should have been updated via Steam (can't remember when though), unless of course you run RW with Steam offline?

JB

[firstborn]

Well now i feel like i've really fallen down the rabbit hole....

My computer & Steam are permanently online... and my IoW 0-4-0 works fine (with rain effects on the glass etc)... but that code absolutely isn't in the engine.bin file

Anyway... added the code to the terrier .bin file (the same one that basically IS the IoW 0-4-0 .bin file) and sure enough it has fixed the windows, and also now has rain effect


Only problem now is (and this makes sense, but may also be me messing something up) is you can see the 0-4-0's saddle tank & chimney through the window


Off to mess about some more

[cilldroichid]

Thanks very much, JB, your fix has worked.

I added your code to all the IOW terriers, around ten in total, i'm now off to run all the scenario's again on this excellent route.

Donal.

[firstborn]

Whoa... weird... Found out what my problem is/was!

When i run the invincible.bin through serz.exe, then load the .xml file into my text editor..... the 'wiper' section doesn't appear

But load the invincible.bin into RW-Tools, and sure enough the 'wiper' section is there!

Mind Blown

WHY would it do that?