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rkk01 wrote:Presumably the 8F would be a suitable freight hauler for WLOS...

Apparently, 8fs were extremely rare in Scotland and especially so in the South West.

moose4675 wrote:Apparently, 8fs were extremely rare in Scotland and especially so in the South West.

Kingmoor had a handful but I don't think they worked down the G&SW. I'm not sure I have seen any evidence of freight engines greater than Class 5 via Dumfries and of course the gradients were less severe on that route.

John

Natvander wrote:Would love to see RSC or an affiliate do a Class 26 and 27.

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Im guessing they could have run 8Fs through to Dumfries, after all that seems to have been an alternate run north and im sure ive read of Britannias run over it. But further West, yeah I think you are probably right. Most of the locos photographed there seem to be either Black5s or Standard 6 Clans (or Jubilees) which would have been rather lighter.

Im guessing this is the main reason why BR shut this section of line. It was probably too expensive for them to strengthen it for heavier locomotives that replace the steamers, ie Class 47s.

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Natvander wrote:Would love to see RSC or an affiliate do a Class 26 and 27.

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The advice is sound. Discussion of the particular models available elsewhere is not going to be entertained.

If you want RSC or another provider to produce one then contact them directly via their email / Facebook etc. They don't read every post on every thread here or anywhere else.

stuart666 wrote:Im guessing this is the main reason why BR shut this section of line. It was probably too expensive for them to strengthen it for heavier locomotives that replace the steamers, ie Class 47s.

I think they shut it because running three trains a day is not profitable. Personally, I'm amazed it lasted until 1965.

John

I don’t think I have ever seen a photograph of an 8F (or a 9F for that matter) on the G&SW main line, and only one of a WD 2-8-0 in Dumfries in 1959 (“London Midland Steam around Carlisle” by R.H. Leslie). It may have happened, but must have been a very rare occurrence.

However, there was no lack of variety between Carlisle and Dumfries. From “Steam in Scotland Vol 1” by W.J.V. Anderson and D. Cross I quote: “One of the features of working over the Nith Valley line in 1964 was the extraordinary variety of motive power that appeared on everyday trains. Apart from the surviving L.M.S. Pacifics, both types of Standard Pacific and also all four types of L.N.E. Pacific were regular performers”.

So the Western Lines of Scotland offers us the best of both worlds: it may be a somewhat quiet backwater between Stranraer and Dumfries, but from Dumfries and especially around Carlisle it offers ample opportunities to run almost all BR Standards, many ex-LMS and a fair number of ex-LNER engines (and many green diesels….).

Marcus

I bought book that covers Ayr, the old terminal at glasgow and bits of the Port road. There were not 8fs in there, the only weirdest traction I saw was a 3MT mogul and the ex NE V3 tank to replace the 2Ps

marcusboon wrote:I don’t think I have ever seen a photograph of an 8F (or a 9F for that matter) on the G&SW main line, and only one of a WD 2-8-0 in Dumfries in 1959 (“London Midland Steam around Carlisle” by R.H. Leslie). It may have happened, but must have been a very rare occurrence.

The only photograph I have seen of an 8f on G&SW lines is in the Ian Allan book, 'On Glasgow & South Western lines' by David Cross. It is on pg 40 and it shows 48536 South of Ayr at Alloway Junction on the Stranraer Line during May 1961. It was allocated to Carlisle Kingmoor at the time.

It just struck me as odd that I hadn't seen the 8F mentioned ^^ in the context of WLOS.

One of the most numerous types in the UK (?) - lighter axle loading than the 5MT...

Actually I think they had the same route availability, the greatest axle loading being the front tender axle which is 18T 5Cwt and so it's that axle that will decide the route availability, since they both have the same tender then I assume unless the black five has an axle loading greater than that they will both have the same availabilty.
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Edward

I was being lazy and using the info on wiki - which indicates the 8F as RA6 and 5MT as RA7.

Same loco weight of 72t given for both, and 5 axles each... I guess that on the 8F the 4 driven axles must take a greater share of the loading of the 3 on the 5MT???

No info given on the tender on the wiki page, apart from 9t coal capacity and 4000g water (ie approx 18t). No idea what the unladen weight would be - 10t? 40t over 3 axles for the tender???

ETA - seems like a low guess for tender weight! 54t given for the Jubilee

I've noticed you guys keep hitting my Flickr site so have joined up to pass on some more info.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswiss ... 7028773863

Check out this photo, its of an 8F on the Dumfries-Stranraer line at Newton Stewart, probably just after the Second World War. The train comprises cattle wagons but its possible they were being used to shift mines for dumping at sea from Cairn Ryan.


regards Ernie

Irishswissernie wrote:I've noticed you guys keep hitting my Flickr site so have joined up to pass on some more info.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswiss ... 7028773863

Check out this photo, its of an 8F on the Dumfries-Stranraer line at Newton Stewart, probably just after the Second World War. The train comprises cattle wagons but its possible they were being used to shift mines for dumping at sea from Cairn Ryan.


regards Ernie

I have added the LMS 1937 Freight Working Timetable which also includes details of the Shunting engine duties to the Galloway Flickr collection.