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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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Carinthia wrote:
crumplezone wrote:wasn't any sounds issues as far as I'm aware, don't recall anyone mentioning any associated with the old version.
There are two sound issues with the WoSL Route that I know of (and have reported through RailSimulator.com Support), but of course may not necessarily affect all users.
  1. Creating and starting a scenario from either bay platform at Dumfries, you are immediately enveloped in a cacophony of "echo-chamber" noises until passing under the first bridge, when normality returns. I have just re-checked and this does not seem to have been fixed with this update.
  2. When travelling Westbound with a Black 5 (having started from Dumfries), the locomotive sound gets stuck in a loop west of Newton Stewart and it sounds as if you are still trundling along - at whatever speed and even if you are stationary. This seems to affect all Black 5s, including the Kuju with or without the "92212" sound improvements. You can get the sound back by stopping, saving and restarting but it continues to re-occur and it seems normality can't be resumed until a stop/save/restart at Dunragit. I haven't re-checked this, and don't really intend to do so for now given the time into a scenario it occurs.
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The first one happens on other routes to and I've noticed its if the camera angle starts under a bridge or tunnel, you end up getting the echo in that case as it believes your standing under/in said strutures, its not exclusive issue to WLOS however and is alot to do with the reverb EFX settings. The second one sounds like user's sound hardware is reaching is channel load and this was known to happen alot in railworks 2 prior to the openAL sound engine was implemented into TS2013, the fact that saving and restarting clears this issue is a pretty good indicator of this problem as your flushing the sound channels of sound commands demanding it play this or that sound.

Few things can be done to alleviate some of this, one being to turn of EFX all together the others are to ensure the sound card/onboard sound has the correct and proper drivers installed and also to do alittle google research into your own sound hardware to see if there is any conflicts with drivers and OS or weather or not a driver set is better than another as one driver can be better or worse than a prior or existing for soundcards from what I've experienced in the past.

I've not experienced the second issue since the swap over to OpenAL, but the first one is unfortunately one I do encounter and its to do with with reverb effect/EFX which RSC could do with tuning abit, from what I can tell for the most part RSC have simply enabled the OpenAL engine and not done much tweaking, plus were still reliant on blueprint files to dictate sound behavior.

I don't really have the time to dig through all the bridge and tunnel asset sound file bin files, but I don't recall sound bins recieving any new reverb reference to adjust(certainly none of the steam engine sound .bins I've been working with recently in testing have a reference to it) unless the reverb is created by adjustement of play time, echo, how far away it can be heard from and positioning. Not like there is alot of documentation on what was changed sound side from RSC either so cannot say 100% weather or not its adjustable via bin editting. Also far as I'm aware Keith hasn't covered the route in the tool which adds reverb/echo to areas (like running through a gorge for example) but that could be another avenue to explore.

I certainly wouldn't say its a by-product of anything Keith has done in route building in the long run and shouldn't be putting anyone off from getting WLOS.
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captkilljoy wrote:
styckx wrote:So I took the Black 5 out.. And there is a problem with it (unless I'm driving it wrong) that makes this locomotive completely unpleasurable to drive.

Mind you I manually fire my steam.

This happens whether realistic or legacy mode is picked

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Mind you.. The only input difference between the two is a 2% difference in regulator.. But look at the idiotic steam generation change..
Try changing this line in the Simulation bin file under the Super Heater from this,

<Responsiveness d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="000000A09999D93F" d:precision="string">0.7</Responsiveness>

To this,

<Responsiveness d:type="sFloat32" d:alt_encoding="000000A09999D93F" d:precision="string">0.4</Responsiveness>

Made a world of difference for me.
Just now seeing this for some reason. :) Will give it a try! Thank you.



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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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crumplezone wrote:The second one sounds like user's sound hardware is reaching is channel load and this was known to happen alot in railworks 2 prior to the openAL sound engine was implemented into TS2013, the fact that saving and restarting clears this issue is a pretty good indicator of this problem as your flushing the sound channels of sound commands demanding it play this or that sound.
I agree, but the fact that it almost instantly re-occurs (after saving and re-starting) only between Newton Stewart and Dunragit, and hasn't occurred at all anywhere else on the route for me (or with any other locomotive I have used) suggests to me there is an issue or conflict with the route in that specific area - which is why I have taken it up with RailSimulator.com support.

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Can some kind person load a picture of the route map for me?
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pilot37 wrote:Can some kind person load a picture of the route map for me?
Ask and you shall receive. :)

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Wow, that was quick thanks....do you have one showing all stations?
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pilot37 wrote:Wow, that was quick thanks....do you have one showing all stations?
I didn't, but now I do.. Since I decided to make one showing all platform locations

http://i.imgur.com/hrgs2iL.jpg
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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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styckx wrote:
pilot37 wrote:Wow, that was quick thanks....do you have one showing all stations?
I didn't, but now I do.. Since I decided to make one showing all platform locations

http://i.imgur.com/hrgs2iL.jpg
Thanks Styckx. Great info map :-) Will buy route if I ever get home.
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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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Griphos wrote:Would the O4 or the B1 be appropriate on the line? The Class 31 or 33?
Don't know if anyone replied fully to this.
Both the O4 and B1 were LNER Locos and would not have been seen on the line.
The Class 31's were eastern region based and again would not be seen on the line.
The Class 33 would not be seen but it's Scottish cousin the Class 27 would be one of the main locos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_27
along with the Class 24 & Class 25.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_24
Class 17 'Claytons' were locos seen in the area and would be suitable for this route.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_17
The Class 40's would have been seen in the area as well

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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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Would love to see RSC or an affiliate do a Class 26 and 27.
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I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but the B1 would more than likely have been seen at the Carlisle end of the line. Don't forget 2 LNER constituents reached Carlisle, the NBR down the Waverley route & the NER along the Tyne Valley.
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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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B1s could get diverted from Edinburgh side and have to run over west coast rails, Keith actually has a scenario in the workshop based on such a event. O4 on the other hand is very unlikely to be seen anywhere on WLOS unless it had been transferred in for potential traffic tests, but I don't really recall them in any reference books really being issued much outside of LNER areas or the colliery areas which they were originally designed to be utilised for.
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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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Canal shed certainly had an allocation of B1s but the thought of their travelling far down this TS route is probably stretching the imagination a little. And although Canal seems not to have had an allocation of V2s (model included with the O4), I would be surprised if visitors didn't appear off the Waverley line and the N&C route whilst waiting their return working.

But it depends what blows your whistle. With TS you can do almost anything you like and your imagination can take you anywhere. But if you focus on accuracy, B1s, O4s and diesels are probably best avoided in most cases.

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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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Bear in mind, the LMS used locomotives similar to the 8K up till 1932. A little early for the livery on the RSC one, but if there was a repaint it would make a good companion for the DT 2p running over at least part of the route.
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Re: Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

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Presumably the 8F would be a suitable freight hauler for WLOS...
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