Western Lines of Scotland - Rolling Stock

[stewart]

Yep I have that one but I meant one with all the bells and whistles and a proper cab.

[rabid]

Setting the dampers correctly is very important, even with the auto-fireman. I thought the RSC King was a hopeless waste of money until I realised the dampers were set to off as default, unlike the vast majority of other locos. I think it's being different just for the sake of being different myself but that's the way it is.

Keith

Thanks, that explains a lot!
If anyone could point me to somewhere that explains their correct use I'd be most grateful.
Ta.

[Dave4468]

I'm really confused with my driving of the Black 5. On the MOD scenario I shunt about in Longstown willy nilly but by the time I've got to the bank climbing out of Longstown onto the WCML I'm down to 140psi and I stall yet I've just done all 3 of the Ice Cream Man scenarios and I finish those fine with the safety valves lifting the whole time, even when climbing the banks I'm never going under 210psi. I'm not changing the control mode or anything like that and I use auto-fireman.

On another note I've found a brilliant book for people who want more detail on the Port Road for scenario purposes; 'Branches and Byways: Southwest Scotland and the Border Counties' by Robert Robotham (ISBN 0 86093 575 2), however no one is allowed to check out the copy from Norwich Library, its mine!

As well as some timetables there is a table of loco allocations for Dumfries and Stanraer Shed which seems very apt for this thread, I would copy out the 1950 and 1959 ones but they include a lot of locos not available for RW (Crabs/4P/3P/3MT/2F) however the 1965 allocations are (once DTs latest creations are out) are fully RW compatible;

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Dumfires, 1965 (67E)
5MT 4-6-0: 44699, 44701/23, 44995, 45115, 45432/63/67/71/80
2MT 2-6-0: 46450/79
4MT 2-6-0: 76073/4, 80117/9
2MT 2-6-0: 78051
4MT 2-6-4T: 80023/61

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Stranraer, 1965 (67F)
5MT 4-6-0: 44999
4MT 2-6-0: 76112
2MT 2-6-0: 78016

Hope that is of some use.

[bdy26]

Check the dampers are open (on). Thanks for the allox info. There's some gen on the Hengist site, plus I have some WTT info I'm digesting that I will post.

The books on the route seem limited and varied, but if that's good ill see if I can track down a copy

B

[briyeo1950]

As well as some timetables there is a table of loco allocations for Dumfries and Stanraer Shed which seems very apt for this thread, I would copy out the 1950 and 1959 ones but they include a lot of locos not available for RW (Crabs/4P/3P/3MT/2F) however the 1965 allocations are (once DTs latest creations are out) are fully RW compatible;

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Dumfires, 1965 (67E)
5MT 4-6-0: 44699, 44701/23, 44995, 45115, 45432/63/67/71/80
2MT 2-6-0: 46450/79
4MT 2-6-0: 76073/4, 80117/9
2MT 2-6-0: 78051
4MT 2-6-4T: 80023/61

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Stranraer, 1965 (67F)
5MT 4-6-0: 44999
4MT 2-6-0: 76112
2MT 2-6-0: 78016

Hope that is of some use.

For example, although Black 5 45480 was allocated to Dumfries a closer examination will show it is not suitable for the RSC Black 5 model in that it has a forward fitted top feed. I did a lot of research on loco numbers and suitability for the current model, some black 5's were domeless, they too would not be suitable. I don't know if it was noted in the route as released though There are other differences such as firebox length that I chose to ignore.
I have a book British Railways Steam Locomotive Allocations by Hugh Longworth, that doesn't cover 1965, but does include 1963 and 1966, there are several differences to the 1965 allocations quoted above.



An example of a dome less Black 5

[bristolian]

Morning,

On the subject of boiler fittings for the Black 5, I wondering if steaming would be more prototypical if the loco was remodelled with the boiler being correctly sized, it's too small currently...

Very Best Wishes,
Bob.

[briyeo1950]

I don't think a model has any relevance to the possible performance than can be given to it in the game Bob

[jarmstro]

Check the dampers are open (on). Thanks for the allox info. There's some gen on the Hengist site, plus I have some WTT info I'm digesting that I will post.

The books on the route seem limited and varied, but if that's good ill see if I can track down a copy

B

I don't think its the dampers. It's a bug. The Poppet valves do not lower the boiler pressure at all when they lift. Either that or the AI Fireman is some sort of heroic superman who's shoveling can beat the safety valves!!!

[bristolian]

I don't think a model has any relevance to the possible performance than can be given to it in the game Bob

Was just a thought .

[marcusboon]

Stranraer was also the end of the line from Ayr (- Glasgow), so engines from Ayr shed would also be seen at Stranraer shed and on the Port Road from Stranraer to Challoch Junction (just beyond Dunragit station). From http://www.brdatabase.info it is possible to reconstruct the allocation of Ayr shed (67C) in January 1965:

4MT 2-6-0: 76096
4MT 2-6-4T:80005
‘Crab’ 2-6-0: 42702/37/40/80/89, 42800/01/03/61/63, 42908/09/12/13/16/17/19
5MT 4-6-0: 44977, 45160/61/64/94, 45460/86

From March 1963 until July 1964 there were also seven B1 class engines shedded at Ayr, mainly used on passenger trains.

From photographs it seems that trains from Glasgow to Stranraer would in 1965 also be hauled by engines from 67A Glasgow Corkerhill shed (Standard 5MT and Black Fives). Engines from 68A Carlisle Kingmoor (Clans, Black Fives and maybe the odd Jubilee) could be seen at Stranraer on the boat trains from Euston and Newcastle. The Kingmoor engine off the overnight Euston-Stranraer sleeper was during the day used on the 11.44 a.m. from Stranraer to Glasgow St Enoch (and back on the 5.10 p.m.) before returning on the up sleeper to Carlisle the following night.

The last of the older engines (4-4-0's and 0-6-0's) disappeared in the early sixties with the last Caledonian 0-6-0's being withdrawn from Dumfries and Stranraer in 1963.
All the classes used on the line in 1965 are available in RW, with one exception: the Hughes/Fowler 2-6-0. The Port Road needs a 'Crab': until 1964 three were shedded at Dumfries and one at Stranraer, mainly used on freight. Until we have a 'Crab' a Black Five will have to be substituted (which probably would not have been unusual).

And diesels? In 1965 Dumfries had D2731/38/41/61 (Class D2/10 0-4-0) and D3926 (Class 08 0-6-0), Stranraer had D2575 (Hunslet 0-6-0)....

Marcus

[almark]

Any ideas if those Ayr locos ever went towards Dumfries or if they were more or less strictly seen on the line to Ayr

[ll22012]

Good morning
I find this foto
http://www.semaphoresandsteam.com/p1279 ... #h17cc02ae
I would like to know how they do, to take the coal from the second tender,to the steam machine ?
see you soon
jean-pierre

[ll22012]

Good morning
I find this foto
http://www.semaphoresandsteam.com/p1279 ... #h17cc02ae
I would like to know how they do, to take the coal from the second tender,to the steam machine ?
see you soon
jean-pierre

and on this one....
http://www.semaphoresandsteam.com/p1279 ... #h1d08c069
is it a class 37 at the right of the steam engine ?......because we can hpeo some activities with diesel engines

[gptech]

I would like to know how they do, to take the coal from the second tender,to the steam machine ?

They have a shovel with a veeeeerrry long handle...

but, being serious, I suspect that what you've taken to be a second tender is actually the tender attached to another loco that's out of shot.

[Carinthia]

and on this one....
http://www.semaphoresandsteam.com/p1279 ... #h1d08c069
is it a class 37 at the right of the steam engine ?......because we can hpeo some activities with diesel engines

A Type 4 probably - these were allocated to the "special load" 12-coach workings over Beattock at that time.

John