Sound anomoly with Jubilee and JT Patriot.

[crumplezone]

Crumplezone - hope you don't mind but I have sent these details with my comments to JT support.

Regards

I don't mind, JT will just have to do similar and create a longer sound recording for the most part, shouldn't be especially hard. Just one of those things which upgrades do, OpenAL is still infinitely more beneficial to us as it allows for more sounds and more complex sound interaction with rolling stock without destroying performance or getting stuttering, unfortunately it means some of the older methods or ways of creating the sounds become obsolete and minor adjustment is required to make it all work right again.

Thankfully the wierd sound isn't to prevelant on multiple locomotive, so its a minor quirk for the most part, for the mean time renaming the files as mentioned will work to alleviate the issue as it could be awhile to a fix is issued.

[metrobus]

If I remember the mad shoveling was down to when you were using more coal that the autofireman could shovel so he had a hissy fit and bugged out causing that sound
regards
Edward

[almark]

Hi all,

Haven't had time to read the full thread but just a quick message to let you know that the Patriot and other JT loco's are in the process of gaining an update which will alleviate this problem by adding our own Shoveling sound.

This should be online in the near future for those who don't want to modify files themselves,our new steam loco's (CoT and Manor's plus other new releases) also (will) use our own stoking sound so this problem shouldn't be present in future products.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

Regards,
Mark
Just Trains

[chrisreb]

Hi all,

Haven't had time to read the full thread but just a quick message to let you know that the Patriot and other JT loco's are in the process of gaining an update which will alleviate this problem by adding our own Shoveling sound.

This should be online in the near future for those who don't want to modify files themselves,our new steam loco's (CoT and Manor's plus other new releases) also (will) use our own stoking sound so this problem shouldn't be present in future products.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

Regards,
Mark
Just Trains

Really great service!

Thank you

[scefhwil]

Reading through this thread got me somewhat intrigued as to the cause of the problem described. I only have the RSC Jubilee. Looking at it's stoking sounds it has three files each of which is around 10secs long. The audio blueprint has each set up to play as a continuous loop and plays them respectively for three ranges of the value of the Stoking control:- 0.01 to 0.33, 0.33 to 0.66 and 0.66 to 1.00.

With a bit of experimenation I was able to replicate the described problem. Using the AI fireman it seems you only get three values for Stoking, 0.0, 0.4 and 1.0. At certain pairs of regulator and cutoff values the value of stoking starts to swap rapidly between the values of 0.4 and 1.0. This results in the two appropriate stoking sounds to be triggered rapidly in alternate succession, with inexcess of 20 instances occurring! At this point the chuff sounds cut out and a rapidly repeating scatching sound dominates. Once the value of Stoking stabilizes again it takes a few seconds for the excess instances of the stoking sounds to play out before the normal stoking sound effect returns, along with all the other sounds.

I noticed that the Jubilee's stoking files contained loop markers, which seemed a bit strange, so I removed them all. This has solved the problem. Now when the Stoking value swaps rapidly the stoking sound simply stops playing, without disrupting any other sounds, and it loops correctly once the Stoking value stabilizes.

Stuart

[chrisreb]

Reading through this thread got me somewhat intrigued as to the cause of the problem described. I only have the RSC Jubilee. Looking at it's stoking sounds it has three files each of which is around 10secs long. The audio blueprint has each set up to play as a continuous loop and plays them respectively for three ranges of the value of the Stoking control:- 0.01 to 0.33, 0.33 to 0.66 and 0.66 to 1.00.

With a bit of experimenation I was able to replicate the described problem. Using the AI fireman it seems you only get three values for Stoking, 0.0, 0.4 and 1.0. At certain pairs of regulator and cutoff values the value of stoking starts to swap rapidly between the values of 0.4 and 1.0. This results in the two appropriate stoking sounds to be triggered rapidly in alternate succession, with inexcess of 20 instances occurring! At this point the chuff sounds cut out and a rapidly repeating scatching sound dominates. Once the value of Stoking stabilizes again it takes a few seconds for the excess instances of the stoking sounds to play out before the normal stoking sound effect returns, along with all the other sounds.

I noticed that the Jubilee's stoking files contained loop markers, which seemed a bit strange, so I removed them all. This has solved the problem. Now when the Stoking value swaps rapidly the stoking sound simply stops playing, without disrupting any other sounds, and it loops correctly once the Stoking value stabilizes.

Stuart

Don't suppose you could upload an amended file could you.

Whilst JT are showing their usual high standard of Customer Service in looking at a fix RSC will not be doing the same for the Jubilee.

I did send in a support note some months back and got the usual bland reply and silence.

[scefhwil]

The amended files are three of the RSC's own .dav sounds files. Not sure what the protocol is on uploading edited sound files?

I think I might have some shovelling recordings of my own which I could use as replacements - will have to check tonight.

Any idea what would represent prototypical shovelling frequencies? I'm thinking how many shovell loads a minute would a fireman do for 1) absolutely flat out, 2) typical when cruising, 3) taking it steady.

[scefhwil]

OK, have found those shoevelling sounds in my archive and made three replacement sound files. Seems to work fine on my system.

Chrisreb,

Would you kindly test them out for me? PM me your e-mail address?

Cheers

[chrisreb]

OK, have found those shoevelling sounds in my archive and made three replacement sound files. Seems to work fine on my system.

Chrisreb,

Would you kindly test them out for me? PM me your e-mail address?

Cheers

E mails exchanged and looking at them now.

[Stanlow]

Any updates with these replacement shoveling sounds? As it stands now, I'm being driven absolutely insane by having it happen, moreso that my main choice of train type is a steamer.

[Retro]

Is this a problem with the RSC Default Loco's like the Black Five because I thought it was something wrong with my Computer sound being onboard. If it is the Default RSC stuff surely they should be fixing it.
Kind regards James.

[chrisreb]

Using the files provided for testing this cured the issue for me on the Jubilee. Not sure if these are going to be released.

Not sure if the latest JT patch for the Patriot has fixed it for this loco as not had chance to test it yet as I removed the stoking files initially to get rid of the sound..

[scefhwil]

Stanlow, PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you the files that will fix the problem.

[Stanlow]

Stanlow, PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you the files that will fix the problem.

Unfortunately, I'm too new to get PM permissions yet, and all my posts need to be checked by moderators.