Adams 02s problems

[0931330]

Hi all
If your wondering why the IOW Network scenarios have not been posted then this will answer your questions.
We have physics problem with the loco, all seemed OK, until the 2013 RW came out, though that's not to say it was RW doing, anyway, we are at a loss to whats wrong, So im asking for help to sort out its problems
Richard and friends has built a dam good loco with sounds, And its Free to all, I don't feel its right, releasing it to UKTS. knowing there's s fault on the loco
If anyone out there is willing to help please send me PM,
I wish all a Merry Christmas and a happy new Year.
Regards
Ian

[leafy9]

What are the problems you are having ? I still have the loco from the original download and although I haven't managed to get IOW working yet on RW2013 (SDB and Western Rails + much messing around wth the kuju folder came first), it would be easy enough to pop it on a test track and have a play. IOW is a wonderful route and I had (and still have) hours of fun on RW2012 with it.

I did try to use the physics setup of the O2 once as a base for a crude M7 I was playing with, but it either would hardly pull at all or took off like a rocket and derailed straight away ... so I used the Jinty specs instead ... I'm sure Mr Drummond would not have been impressed

I'm sure if you describe the problems, someone will have an idea.

[0931330]

Hi Leafy9
We seem to have problem with it just stopping with plenty of steam in the boiler,and a good fire, also the braking system is poor though it used to be OK,
there is a problem with the water level in the boiler, though we have full tanks, it just wont fill the boiler. this more of a problem on the dirty loco
If you wish,? i can send you the link to our site to download the loco.
I'm pleased you like the route,
we are rebuilding the Newport to Ventnor West station at the moment, so we can get it as close as it can be to the original.
Regards
Ian

[leafy9]

Hi Ian,

I still have the loco from your first V6 release, so I can use that.

The first problem is the Black loco will not run in either 2012 or 2013 - I get a consist error everytime, delete it and all is well. Dirty and Grenn seem to load OK.

Water - you have no water injector controls ... and they are quite useful for filling up the boiler If you look in a 2012 scene, the fireman's controls show the 2 injectors, but no slider to open or close them. In 2013, RSC in their "wisdom" have removed these useful controls, so you will never see the sliders anyway.

Using RW_Tools, as a test, I used the "green" loco and copied a section from another loco with the 2 extra injector elements and it works - you can now refill the boiler with the injectors and the sliders are there in 2012.

Look in the Engine Blueprint under "ContolContainerComponent" -> "ControlValues"

There are lots of these, find the ones "ExhaustInjectorSteamOnOff" and "LiveInjectorSteamOnOff" (which you already have, but I coped them in again), and after them you need to add sections for "ExhaustInjectorWater" and "LiveInjectorWater". That will then allow you to fill your boiler. Richard should change that in his original blueprint so it includes it on every build.

So Merry Xmas, I will play some more over the next few days , but Christmas has to come first

[Carinthia]

We have physics problem with the loco, all seemed OK, until the 2013 RW came out, though that's not to say it was RW doing, anyway, we are at a loss to whats wrong, So im asking for help to sort out its problems

I don't think this has anything to do with the upgrade to TS2013 - certainly I discovered the hard way not to create scenarios for the "dirty" model as it couldn't make Ventnor to Ryde without running out of water. The brakes were certainly odd too, but I learnt to manage them.

Hopefully others can help you with the technical aspects which are beyond me, I'm afraid. But I just thought I should point this out.

John

[Kernow2]

Hi Ian,

I still have the loco from your first V6 release, so I can use that.

The first problem is the Black loco will not run in either 2012 or 2013 - I get a consist error everytime, delete it and all is well. Dirty and Grenn seem to load OK.

Hi,
The problem with the black loco causing consist errors (usually Modified Consist error) lies with the fact that sometimes when you select it in editor its name /number code becomes a long string of letters and figures. Try selecting loco properties fly-out and replacing the name /number code with one of the correct formats.
If you want to try a sample of correct format then try say 14beA which should give you Fishbourne with the running number 14 cabsides and bufferbeam.
Hope this helps,
Graham (Kernow2)

[leafy9]

Thank you Graham - that fixed the Black one and now I can test it. Funny - it turns out that the Black one actually already has all the necessary injectors so works without any mods, but I could never test it because of the consist errors !

So the Green and Dirty have had the missing two injectors added and will now refill (or at least the boiler level goes up and the water level goes down in the F5 screen !).

They are thirsty little beasts, had them running around my 2013 test track and they all seem to be working water wise, but are hard work to keep running ! I am not a great fan of the new HUD which no longer has the manual fireman controls <grumble grumble> - and I don't always trust the F5 display - one says the Blower is on , the other says it is off and I get the feeling that the Dampers are off even though the display says on.

I see there is a problem with the brakes on all of them, not just the Dirty one - it seems you can put them on 100%, but they fall straight back to about 30% (start of apply) - hence the poor braking. I don't know what is causing that, but assume they all share the same Engine simulation blueprint so need to have a dig around in there. Failing that we can try substituting the brakes for ones that we know work (e.g Jinty or Terrier) and see what happens then.

[leafy9]

Its seems the mystery of the failing brakes is again in the engine blueprint ... and again the Black one looks correct and acts correctly, but I wasn't able to test it until yesterday.

The problem with the other two seems to be the use of notched brakes in the engine blueprint - if this is set to false instead of true, the engines behave much better. To change it, once again go to :-

Engine Blueprint under "ContolContainerComponent" -> "ControlValues" and this time look for "TrainBrakeControl" then "InterfaceElements" and finally "RestInNotchedPosition"... change this value from "eTrue" to "eFalse" and you will have brakes.

As a test I ran all three together after modifying the Dirty one and sure enough from 40 mph, it and the Black one stopped in almost the same place, the unmodified Green one ran on more than twice as far before it stopped.

It also looks like the Black one has a train brake and loco brake, whereas the other two only have train brakes. This makes no difference at all to stopping, but it seems the Black one has been modified at some stage (it also has the correct injectors to allow water refills) and so the other two need to be modified to the same specs as the Black one.

I hope you can modify them and release the O2 at last - they really are a great addition to an already wonderful route


And now to go back to tweaking TE curves on my "Castle" on the Western Rails and see if I can emulate "the Flyer" yet

[0931330]

Hi Leafy9
Thanks for all your help, it is appreciated by me and the team, because we don't know how to fix our sick loco, so can i ask you if you could do the mod for us please?, we have been struggling with this for months, and think that's why the locos are different from each other.
What i thought was, if we could use the brakes from a 3F, but keep the vac pump sounds.
And it goes without saying, your name will added to the credits for the loco.
the rolling stock RWP is ready and there are 20 scenarios ready to keep you going for awhile.
Best Regards
Ian