CLASS101 Strathclyde

[bdy26]

Good points Crump.

I certainly don't expect the Strathclyde one for free, and I'm not sure we really have any grounds to expect the "new" effects for free - but there are 2 things wrong with the RSC 101 Pack that in my view fall below "reasonably fitness for purpose" which is the gear screaming (easily fixed in the bin files) and the glow in the dark interior. There is no justification for not correcting those 2 things now. Email to support on its way.

I am really tempted to buy this one (and it would probably be reskinned as Strathclyde Blue before I even played the orange one) but I'm voting with my wallet.

I don't expect we will ever see the 101 upgraded given the amount of testing required for all those scenarios with revised physics, but who knows.

B

[DavidVI]

I don't understand it.

So you all think we're going to get reskin+Activity packs for the same price? A BR Blue version, 11.99, Green whiskers, another 11.99? I can see it. Like the 4CIG and 4CIG Southern.

Why can't they release one version, like a core version of a loco with a few activities, then extra ones for a small price if you already own the core one? Sort of like addons. Afterall you have already paid for the hard work in researching and designing the model, paying full price again for a reskin seems ridiculous

I don't mind them releasing further 101s in different liveries with different activities as long as they are cheaper if you already own one of the previous 101's..

Hope this makes sense, seemed like an obvious idea to me...

Buy one 101 pack, get further ones at reduced price. (IF they go down the route of releasing other versions/liveries).

[donny]

My guess is they are pushing their boundaries to see what the market will tollerate, much in the same way as children will with their parents. At the end of the day they are, as others have said, a business which is there primarily to make money. What makes a succesful business stand out from a mediocre or failed one is the ability to judge their market and pitch their goods at just the right price to maximise sales and income AND keep their customer base happy and interested.

At the end of the day they will have the figures in front of them and they will know what sells and what doesnt. They may well take the view that to sell 100 copies of the 101 at £11.99 is better than selling 500 at £1.99 because it makes more money, whereas the coy businesman looking long term may realise that for a slightly lower return 400 more people are enjoying their product and will be likely to buy again, therefore securing longevity and loyalty in the business.

I don't think many on here have a problem with paying a fair price for something that has had many man hours spent creating it. Personally, I still marvel at the accuracy and sheer playability of WCMLNorth which in my opinion is worth twice its £24.99 asking price. but compare it to the Strathclyde 101, which basically is a reworked version of an older very popular model which has made its money at £11.99. Almost half the price of WCMLNorth for what at most would be, what, 2 days work for an experienced modeller. I, for one, believe that RSC have reached their boundary. It remains to be seen if they listen to the criticism and mature or keep the blinkers on and continue to act like the petulant child they seem to be becoming.

[rosgar]

It's a big NO from me on this at the price offered. Only one livery makes it no more than a slightly enhanced reskin. Perhaps a better idea would have been to produce a Class 107 instead, thereby increasing the range of DMU stock in the catalogue.

[winifred89]

It's a big NO from me on this at the price offered. Only one livery makes it no more than a slightly enhanced reskin. Perhaps a better idea would have been to produce a Class 107 instead, thereby increasing the range of DMU stock in the catalogue.

Yes, would of been nice a Class 107.

[deltic009]

It's a big NO from me on this at the price offered. Only one livery makes it no more than a slightly enhanced reskin. Perhaps a better idea would have been to produce a Class 107 instead, thereby increasing the range of DMU stock in the catalogue.

I don't understand the one livery comments on price. Reskins of this would be small effort compared to everything else that has gone in to making the 101 update, including testing time etc of newer features, yet it is a lack of reskins which is why most people are complaining. Put it this way - A number of people on here could do reskins for it easily, but I wouldn't imagine the same number could build the 101 from the ground up and include all of the features it has.

[jivebunny]

I don't understand the one livery comments on price. Reskins of this would be small effort compared to everything else that has gone in to making the 101 update, including testing time etc of newer features, yet it is a lack of reskins which is why most people are complaining. Put it this way - A number of people on here could do reskins for it easily, but I wouldn't imagine the same number could build the 101 from the ground up and include all of the features it has.

I don't understand your argument... we've already paid for the model. Therefore we're paying £11.99 for a new livery. I would hardly call rain on windows and a passenger view "new features"; the first has been standard since TS2012 was launched, and the second since Rail Simulator days!

JB

[pjt1974]

Hi Matthew

I think if you look at the bigger picture, it isn't just the Class 101 update people are complaining about. To many of the older users of Rail Simulator and Railworks, like myself, this mass outcry has been coming for a while. It is not a surprise, the only surprise was it took so long for it to happen. The class 101 DMU was the donkey that broke the straws back.

I think it shows when, on other forums aswell as this one, I see hardened supporters of RSC lower thier guard's and cry enough is enough.

Crumplezone hit the nail on the head. More than any other product, this highlights the fact that RSC have become blinkered and forgotten what got them to where they are today.

Regards

Phil

[donny]

Well said Phil

I doubt many would have had much to say had the original 101 still been supported with up to date features. As it stands the original 101 was sold as substandard in respect of sounds and physics with fixes promised. Now RSC appears to have turned its back on it and all those who purchased it in good faith despite the community proving how easy fixed it is.

If they aren't going to show us respect and loyalty by keeping and updating (even if its for a small nominal fee) expensive models that we all purchased faithfully then why should the masses have any faith in the future of their business.

My wallet will remain well and truly shut from now on until RSC comes to its senses, which is a shame because I've had quite a few purchases planned such as the extended Port road and the new HS1 when it comes out.

[rcetank]

I don't have an intrinsic objection to paying a small amount for an upgrade, whether it's to the basic software or for DLC, but I do want to feel I'm getting value for money with any purchase. If this marketing strategy continues, they might as well change their logo to crossed pistols and a highwayman's mask.....

Keith

It looks to me their marketing strategy is to see how much they can squeeze us for until we say no more. Judging by the comments so far, I think we might have reached that point. Additionally, I don't think it's going to greatly appeal to the majority of their (younger) facebook 'community' either.

Interestingly the SD-45 (again only one livery) was released yesterday too, same price but with five scenarios and five reskinned wagons.

They are getting a bit of a bashing on their Face Book page over this & the class 66.
I my self do not really consider my self as being young. I have though in the last few weeks joined Face Book (with the minimum amount of information that is required) so that I can have my say on a site that they seem to cherish. At the moment they are not really answering to many of the comments flying around on their site but IMO their Face Book site is where we all should be venting our opinions.

[davejc64]

They are getting a bit of a bashing on their Face Book page over this & the class 66.
I my self do not really consider my self as being young. I have though in the last few weeks joined Face Book (with the minimum amount of information that is required) so that I can have my say on a site that they seem to cherish. At the moment they are not really answering to many of the comments flying around on their site but IMO their Face Book site is where we all should be venting our opinions.

RSC only cherish Facebook when things are going their way.

[tads1970]

I really don't need to splash money where it's not really needed,I can live with the 101 the way it is.I have it running with custom sounds (track and engine)revised physics,screeming trailer
has gone,acceleration is more like a 101 should be,the same goes for ***'s 105,rain on the windows is no loss....but would have been nice.

Daz

[SouthernElectric]

Hi Matthew

I think if you look at the bigger picture, it isn't just the Class 101 update people are complaining about. To many of the older users of Rail Simulator and Railworks, like myself, this mass outcry has been coming for a while. It is not a surprise, the only surprise was it took so long for it to happen. The class 101 DMU was the donkey that broke the straws back.

I think it shows when, on other forums aswell as this one, I see hardened supporters of RSC lower thier guard's and cry enough is enough.

Crumplezone hit the nail on the head. More than any other product, this highlights the fact that RSC have become blinkered and forgotten what got them to where they are today.

Regards

Phil

Thanks for articulating my thoughts Phil, my last RSC DLC purchase was London to Brighton and I've not been tempted since. In previous discussions I've mentioned the 37 pack which alongside the 101 pack were great value with loads of variations in body and livery styles, not forgetting the "up the junction" 08 pack which included the an LMS,Dutch,NSW and Class 13 alongside the 08..
Simon

[Rockdoc2174]

Cynical as davejc64's comment is, it's not far from the truth but I wouldn't be surprised if RSC are looking at their sales levels for the 101 and keeping their fingers crossed. The trouble is, it may need the sales numbers to be a lot lower than they expected, for this and some of the other recent releases, for them to change their policy. They're also storing up some trouble for themselves by their constant braying about the Workshop. Newcomers, buying the new 101, will expect anything that says it needs a 101 to work for them and they'll not be impressed when they find that many will not because they don't have the right version and can't buy it.

I also think they missed a trick with the Class 66 v2 pack. It would have been far more attractive if the extension to E-G had been part of the pack and had scenarios with it that made good use of the new stuff. Now that is to be made available to everyone that incentive has been lost. It could even have been made part of other packs. Buy X and get a significant extension/enhancement to Y route might sway people. It would make me look twice whereas I doubt I'll be buying the new 101 even at sale prices.

They can dismiss the negative feedback so long as the sales hold up. Will they or won't they? That is the question.

Keith

[AndyUK]

....I also think they missed a trick with the Class 66 v2 pack. It would have been far more attractive if the extension to E-G had been part of the pack and had scenarios with it that made good use of the new stuff. Now that is to be made available to everyone that incentive has been lost....

Wouldn't that approach then create 2 versions of the E-G route and cause the same problem as you foresee in your first paragraph for people downloading scenarios for the Class 101, but in that case for E-G scenarios?

Andy L