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FoggyMorning wrote:

ihavenonamenoreallyidont wrote:crumplezone has got it absolutely right.

Are we going to be charged another £11.99 for a blue livery, I wonder? £11.99 for each variant?

I do hope so. As I said above, a blue or green version with new scenarios for Woodhead, Regional Rail for Settle to Carlisle, or possibly even NSE for the Portsmouth or Brighton routes would be much more appealing for me. Since this was a pretty ubiquitous unit in its working life it would be a shame to not have some more varieties of livery and route options.

Still, it is good to see new stock is still being produced for "older" (relatively speaking) routes such as WCML - one fairly major complaint that has been levied in the past has been that once add-on routes are released, they are forgotten about by RS.com. Fortunately, releases such as the new 101 and the Thompson B! & Robinson O4 steamers for Woodhead suggest that that is no longer the case.

What, oh its a joke, no wait your serious?

Your actually willing to pay £11.99 per each livery churned out for what was already available no more than 4-5months ago?



Well by all means, spend £40-50 on a "complete" 101 pack when they finish churning them out, the original 101 was no more than £15.

After buying the original way back when, it only got used for AI as I couldn't be doing with the god awful sounds (only sounded like a 101 when idling).

I may of been tempted at half price if a deal had been done for original owners - Oh, and there seems to be no mention of a passenger view either!?!

Nah, methinks I'll leave this one for now - aint paying that much for something I already have and with plenty of reskins to boot, so this Version2 goes on my 75%+ list (even then only if AP have done a soundset)

scorpion71 wrote:Oh, and there seems to be no mention of a passenger view either!?!

No it is not mentioned but if you read the blog post I just posted, you will find out (with a nice shiny picture) that there is a pax view.

Seriously, stop moaning. If you want it, buy it, if you think a) the price is too steep for "just a reskin" (it isn't, again read the blog post) or b) it isn't your cup of tea, don't buy it! Complaining on a forum is not going to get you it for free.


Sean

crumplezone wrote:

FoggyMorning wrote:

ihavenonamenoreallyidont wrote:crumplezone has got it absolutely right.

Are we going to be charged another £11.99 for a blue livery, I wonder? £11.99 for each variant?

I do hope so. As I said above, a blue or green version with new scenarios for Woodhead, Regional Rail for Settle to Carlisle, or possibly even NSE for the Portsmouth or Brighton routes would be much more appealing for me. Since this was a pretty ubiquitous unit in its working life it would be a shame to not have some more varieties of livery and route options.

Still, it is good to see new stock is still being produced for "older" (relatively speaking) routes such as WCML - one fairly major complaint that has been levied in the past has been that once add-on routes are released, they are forgotten about by RS.com. Fortunately, releases such as the new 101 and the Thompson B! & Robinson O4 steamers for Woodhead suggest that that is no longer the case.

What, oh its a joke, no wait your serious?

Your actually willing to pay £11.99 per each livery churned out for what was already available no more than 4-5months ago?



Well by all means, spend £40-50 on a "complete" 101 pack when they finish churning them out, the original 101 was no more than £15.

Yes, the original class 101 pack was £14.99, and you got an awful lot of content for that; some of which gets used a great deal more than others.

All I said was I would be more interested if they produced an updated model with new content for some of the routes that weren't around at the time the original pack was released, and in liveries that I personally find more appealing than the Strathclyde PTE - I would be quite happy to be able to pick and choose which liveries and which routes the included content was used on, rather than get a "bulk pack" and never use half of the content.

£11.99 is pretty much as close as we've got to a "standard" price point for a rolling stock add-on, so I don't really see an issue from that perspective. If you genuinely feel that you have an entitlement to get new content for less than the market rate, I'm quite sure RailSimulator.com would be delighted to your reasoning

I'm another user who'll hold off on this piece of DLC for the moment, I do feel as others do that they could have added a Blue and Grey version or included the later SPT blue livery to expand the time frame for the model.
Simon

thetrainfan wrote: No it is not mentioned but if you read the blog post I just posted, you will find out (with a nice shiny picture) that there is a pax view.

Well it would be more of a help to potential customers if they'd mention the inclusion of the passenger view (including the shiny pictures) on Steam - the Official purchase place and not with help by a 3rd party forum

thetrainfan wrote: Seriously, stop moaning. If you want it, buy it, if you think a) the price is too steep for "just a reskin" (it isn't, again read the blog post) or b) it isn't your cup of tea, don't buy it! Complaining on a forum is not going to get you it for free.

Where did I say I wanted it for free? Also, I don't see it as moaning, I see it as constructive public consumer critisism and if you look through this thread you will see I am not the only one who's miffed at the price!

thetrainfan wrote: Seriously, stop moaning.

Seriously, who put you in charge?

Members here are free to moan all they like about an outrageous price being asked for what is described in steam as a re-skinned and upgraded release of a product we've already paid for. No one has stepped over the mark in this thread and no one has said anything that couldn't be considered fair comment.

Seriously, there's a trend developing amongst a small band of blowhards on this forum and posts like this one seem to fit neatly into it. Lets see...

Ignoring objective posts pointing out reasonable issues with a new release? Check

Dismissive attitude to unhappy regular posters? Check

Sneering put downs of anyone who dares to complain? Check

Onanistic, uncritical love of anything new? Check

Are you sure you don't work for RSC?

1S81

There's also the exact opposite. I don't think you get many people on here who fall into either category though, it's reasonably balanced, people just tend to notice the more extreme cases as they tend to stand out more.

I have the original 101, not paying 11.99 for one reskin...

Makes you wonder how much the FCC Electrostar is going to be...

Meanwhile, snapped parked at the back of RS towers...

£11.99 for just one unit(which is the same as the original pack, just with TS2013 features) and only three scenarios is a bit excessive imo... How hard would it have been for RSC just to update the original pack to TS2013 standards and release it as a patch for those who already own it and at £11.99 for new users and then release the SPT pack(maybe with 101692 in its Cali blue livery as well) seperately for say £5.99? How hard can it be? Watching the "trailer" video it doesn't even seem like the sounds have changed... So what has apart from the price and the adding of the TS2013 lights and rain stuff?

Also noticed the flying Scotsman is to be released in black livery. Didn't mention nothing in newsletter about this being a free update. Anyone got ant details on that?

Dean

dean1986 wrote:Also noticed the flying Scotsman is to be released in black livery. Didn't mention nothing in newsletter about this being a free update. Anyone got ant details on that?

Dean

No details nore I doubt anyone can be anymore forthcoming as its only just mentioned in the newsletter, but the obvious and most trend setting would be its a seperate non-upgrade-to-original reskin Scotsman in NE livery pack sold at £11.99 with completely unrelated scenarios to its actual stomping grounds(When was the last time a A3 ever got near Brighton in steam days? )

dean1986 wrote:Didn't mention nothing.... Anyone got ant details on that?

crumplezone wrote:No details nore I doubt anyone can be anymore forthcoming as its only just mentioned in the newsletter, but the obvious and most trend setting would be its a seperate non-upgrade....

Sorry to be pedantic, but does anyone speak English here anymore...?

Ash

ashgray wrote:

dean1986 wrote:Didn't mention nothing....

crumplezone wrote:No details nore I doubt anyone can be anymore forthcoming as its only just mentioned in the newsletter, but the obvious and most trend setting would be its a seperate non-upgrade....

Sorry to be pedantic, but does anyone speak English here anymore...?

Ash

Plenty do, beyond the obvious sarcasm, but in all honestly RSC won't be bucking the trend and will end up making the NE liveried Flying Scotsman a seperate DLC pack to the original,it'll obviously include full features up to TS2013 and the original pack will unlikely to receive any kind of makeover. The obvious indication to this being the scenarios route target L&B which doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the pack is aimed at TS2013 new purchases rather than creating it for oh.....say a LNER/NE typicial route like East Coast Mainline? Also before someone steps in and goes "well that would mean new TS2013 users would have to buy ECML" that hasn't stopped RSC from creating scenarios which required a full payware route and ECML isn't particularly expensive either.

Plus the Flying Scotsman is nearly as old/or is older than the original 101 pack, just to be on partial topic, so unless RSC change their business plan over x-mas I'm not expecting anything to be any different than this here 101 release we just got this thursday, course this could be all guesswork and I could be absolutely wrong and RSC could surprise us, but then the planets would have to align and the world end in 2weeks...

P.S. scientifically the planets cannot 100% align and the closest to any true alignment would be in 2078. - random fun info fact of the day.