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Re: CLASS101 Strathclyde

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gptech wrote:priced along the lines of the new 66 would that have eliminated much of this contention?
ihavenonamenoreallyidont wrote:I think it may have done.
Interesting.... if we assume that many others would think the same then it does come down to 'filthy lucre'; what you get for your money!
If we take the view that the 101 is a pretty niche item, particularly in a livery that ties it in to a handful of routes then the projected sales must be fairly low---the 66, despite being also in a single livery won't look out of place practically anywhere and will appeal to newer traction fans as well as the old geeks at UKTS. More sales = bigger discount opportunity yet still able to recoup costs and make a profit. The cynic in me would love to claim that part of the exercise has been to gauge reaction to how much the more niche users will pay for newer versions of old stock.
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ihavenonamenoreallyidont wrote: As an aside, I have to say the moderators - well, what's left of them - have done a great job in not closing this thread down. Great to be able to have a proper discussion. I've been very critical of them in the past so it's nice to thank them for once.
Very well said.

A frank exchange of views comes as a breath of fresh air. It also encourages people to go beyond their initial statement of position and actually develop their argument; listening to their opponents point of view and modifying their position in light of that. We end up with a proper debate that is, hopefully, as enlightening as it is entertaining for all concerned.

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gptech wrote: If we take the view that the 101 is a pretty niche item, particularly in a livery that ties it in to a handful of routes then the projected sales must be fairly low---the 66, despite being also in a single livery won't look out of place practically anywhere and will appeal to newer traction fans as well as the old geeks at UKTS. More sales = bigger discount opportunity yet still able to recoup costs and make a profit. The cynic in me would love to claim that part of the exercise has been to gauge reaction to how much the more niche users will pay for newer versions of old stock.
You're onto something here, but if you ask me the 101 has been priced on the assumption that the bulk of sales will take place during one of the regular discounted periods. RSC are a business and any DLC they do is going to be costed against projected sales. In this case they anticipate the majority of sales will take place at 50% off the RRP. No company, whether it's Tesco or RSC, is ever going to admit to this but it's what they do.

Anyone who has been around Railworks for a while who dosen't, most of the time, wait for a sale to come along before picking up their DLC is, to be frank about it, a bit of a mug. We'll all have our own exceptions (the upcoming Port Road being a prime example) but these just go to prove the rule.

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Sorry for being way off topic!
Not before the Mayan apocolypse
sorry to inform you popcorn eaters but they didn't "prophecy" the end of the world, just "their" civilization, boy, they got that wrong!
@Gary: Yes RSC have given us free updates, but lets be honest most of the updates have been eye candy and a few reasonable additions to editing tools, but sadly not any major fixes to problems that have been underlying since 2007, which imo are more important. So if they had addressed those problems first, I would have agreed with you.

I too would like to thank the mods for having the foresight to let this very valuable debate continue. Despite its heat sometimes. :wink:
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Thanks Bob. I have taken the precaution of eating the chocolates from 22nd to 24th from my advent calendar. Disappointment is such a fickle mistress :grin:

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Re: CLASS101 Strathclyde

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If I can drag this hifalutin discussion of the ethics of marketing back to 'daft Wally' practicalities, has anyone else had trouble getting the beast to load to a scenario - ANY scenario?

I have downloaded, verified cache, hidden the folder and downloaded again - and I still can't get any of the scenarios to run.

Is it just me?

OK, I only paid £5.99 for it but I would like something (please?) for my money...

Any suggestions gratefully received...

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Hi John,
you should have no bother getting the supplied scenarios at least to run---how do they fail; is it a freeze, crash to desktp, SBHH?
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JohnM1945 wrote:If I can drag this hifalutin discussion of the ethics of marketing back to 'daft Wally' practicalities, has anyone else had trouble getting the beast to load to a scenario - ANY scenario?

I have downloaded, verified cache, hidden the folder and downloaded again - and I still can't get any of the scenarios to run.

Is it just me?

OK, I only paid £5.99 for it but I would like something (please?) for my money...

Any suggestions gratefully received...

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Re: CLASS101 Strathclyde

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Thanks for the quick responses!

Gptech asked...
Hi John,
you should have no bother getting the supplied scenarios at least to run---how do they fail; is it a freeze, crash to desktp, SBHH?
It's an SBHH, every time...

Firstborn asked...
Does quick drive work?
No, QuickDrive does not work.


I've tried the first two supplied scenarios, and the default QuickDrive scenario. They all three result in an SBHH... I have detected no problem with any other RSC-supplied Assets or Content.

Grrrr... It's enough to drive a man over Donner Pass...

Any and all (legal) suggestions are welcomed.


Kind regards, and may you all have the Christmas you would wish for...

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Posted three hours ago on Facebook. RSC's latest Workshop Wonder recommended scenario features, wait for it, the original 101!

You really couldn't make this stuff up...

Gross ineptitude or a deliberate up-yours. You decide.

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JohnM1945 wrote: Any and all (legal) suggestions are welcomed.
Hi, I hope I'm not being patronising, but you have cleared the blueprint cache have you? It just doesn't explicitly say that in your list of things you did as far as I can see.
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Nigeltouatievans wrote:-
Hi, I hope I'm not being patronising, but you have cleared the blueprint cache have you? It just doesn't explicitly say that in your list of things you did as far as I can see.
No, you're not being patronising. No error is too daft for our Wally!

I hadn't thought of that in this case when I wrote earlier - I'd assumed that a fresh install of an RSC DLC would include that in its script? I have tried it since, with no apparent effect. But I haven't restarted the machine since then, so I'll try that. I know, for instance, that 'verify cache' seems not to take account of directory deletions unless you Restart.

And then, I'll try downloading to an alternative Asset/Content set... Remembering to Restart before verifying its cache (which I've just (falsely) been told is 100% ok, even though it's missing the last few DLC I bought...)

It all keeps the brain alive, I suppose but - oh please, RSC - can we have some informative failure diagnostics? Soon?

Thanks for the suggestion!

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Re: CLASS101 Strathclyde

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JohnM1945 wrote:It's an SBHH, every time...
Ahhh...the easy one to track down then.... </sarcasm>


SBHH can be caused by a myriad of things, but as you've verified and re-downloaded it would be safe to assume you have all the required files.
First off, though as you're running everything else OK it probably won't be relevant, but posting your system specs would give us more of an insight into what's happening.

Can you place any of the 101 vehicles into a scenario?, a new, empty, free roam would be ideal to test with.
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gptech wrote:-
SBHH can be caused by a myriad of things, but as you've verified and re-downloaded it would be safe to assume you have all the required files.
First off, though as you're running everything else OK it probably won't be relevant, but posting your system specs would give us more of an insight into what's happening.

Can you place any of the 101 vehicles into a scenario?, a new, empty, free roam would be ideal to test with.
Easy bit... The system specs are:-

Custom-built (and rebuilt…) ‘desktop’
running Windows 7 Ultimate N, Service Pack 1
Processor: Intel Core2 Duo, E8400 @ 3.00GHz , 3.00 GHz
System: 64-bit
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1863GB (boot) + 466GB + 466GB
Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 6800
Experience indices: Processor: calcs/sec Score 6.4
RAM: MOps/sec Score 6.9
Graphics (Windows Aero) Score 7.8
Gaming Graphics Score 7.8
Primary HDD data transfer Score 5.9

Difficult bit... Erm, I've never written a scenario, free-roam or otherwise... Yes, I'm a virgin... This may be the time to learn, but I hope it'll prove unnecessary...

Currently, I'm validating cache on an alternate data set. More later...

Thanks for the interest!

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Re: CLASS101 Strathclyde

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JohnM1945 wrote:Easy bit...
That's grand, at least we now know you're not trying to run the game on something right on the edge of failing because it's too weak.
JohnM1945 wrote:Difficult bit...
It's surprisingly easy once you get going....honest!!

For testing you dont need a complex route, nor a complex scenario--just a bit of track on the ground but there's no need to create a new route for this. Possibly the easiest thing to do is to click on 'Editor' when the game loads, select 'Scenario Editor' from the bottom right of the next window and click on whichever route you want to make the scenario for. I'd suggest going for WCML in this case as you obviously must have it and be a bit familiar with it. Once you've done that you'll get a list of the scenarios you have for that route, find a free roam one and 'clone' it using the button on the right hand side (if things don't look exactly like I'm describing it's because I'm typing this from memory, not near a TS2013 enabled machine at the moment) You can give the copy you've just made a more descriptive name than "Copy of....." if you wish, do whatever suits you.

Now you have (hopefully) something you can play about in, and if it goes base over apex you won't lose anything by having to delete it. The FAQs here are great for finding out the basics (and much, much more) of editing and adding stock to scenarios, have a look through http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=117021 to see how to enable the Provider/Product boxes.
The folks in here are more than happy to help if you get stuck, don't hesitate to shout for assistance if you need it :)

Something you won't need right now (but it is something that really can be described as essential) is the "Swiss Army knife for Railworks", better known as RW Tools-- http://www.rstools.info/rw_tools.html For the price of a couple of pints you get a very powerful tool for trouble shooting and tailoring the game to your tastes.
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