CLASS101 Strathclyde

[jimmyshand]

In the past, there was a bit of an imbalance to the forum whereby if you weren't heaping praise on RSC then you were a naysayer to be ousted and banished. That approach seems to have softened recently and thankfully there has seemingly been a relaxation on the grip that once threatened to stifle the forum completely. It now feels a bit more balanced where pro and anti views can be discussed openly which is super important on a forum, you can't just allow positive reviews without letting in the negative also.

In truth it was probably caused by a few extremists on each side of the divide. Someone who is extremely positive can be just as disruptive as someone who is extremely critical. There is nothing more inflamatory than a smart alec piping up that all is well and "RSC rule" etc when you're in the middle of discussing a serious negative point!

As well as the RSC presence departing, the forum also lost a lot of very good characters from the userbase who have never returned. This is arguably an even greater loss as some of those opinions I regarded highly and you could learn to trust their reviews of products and releases.

Back on topic, I'm glad this thread has been able to run its course. It's been quite damming of RSC over the class 101 but never has it turned nasty or abusive, just people calmly stating their disapproval which as a result may well serve to alter tactics from RSC in the future. This is far more effective and honest than locking down the threads and trying to stifle any criticism. Well done mods!

[johnmckenzie]

Just one point of clarification for us all - putting aside the contentious issues of pricing and the ongoing non-update of the original pack - can anyone who has bought the Strathclyde 101 please confirm whether the issues with the original 101 have been dealt with.

Specifically these would be
1. Overly powerful motor vehicles
2. Screaming rear motor vehicles
3. Glowing textures

Thank you!

[Retro]

Hi,
The original Class 101 is one of my favourite pieces of DLC despite it's few faults. I would gladly pay a small sum of money to get it upgraded for TS-2013. I believe however that the price for the new Class 101 is too much for what you are getting.
I feel RSC have dropped a clanger by not updating the original 101 and it will come back to haunt them if they leave this situation as it is at this present time. My Wallet has been put away for the moment.
Kind regards James.

[1S811985]

There's a difference between a robust reply to a post which in itself could be interpereted as 'hostile' and a gratuitously hostile reaction to a post which in no way could be interpreted as such.

Andy L

Sorry but I've looked several times at the post in question and I'm at a loss as to how it could possibly be interperated as hostile. Unless you could enlighten us as to where you perceive the hostility to be I'd have to conclude that your reply was, in your own words, "a gratuitously hostile reaction to a post which in no way could be interpreted as such". So a bit of an own goal there really!

The post in question:

Just looking at the RSC Facebook page and a thought came to mind. Why do they constantly refer to people as 'fans'?

It got me thinking back to the 70's and 80's watching football and the way clubs used to treat their fans.

For those who don't know, the majority of the bigger football clubs (and some smaller ones) in the 70's and 80's didn't really give a jot about what their supporters thought. The attitude from the boardrooms was "why should we listen to their gripes, they will always pay at the gate, no matter what?" Football fans were not customers they were just a source of income they could rely on.

Anyone see the comparison?

For what it's worth, recalling the conditions I endured at football grounds in the 80's, I do see the comparison and I think it's an entirely valid one to draw in the circumstances of the discussion in this thread.

Oh, and if you'd tried making a smart-alec Python put-down accompanied by a rolling of the eyes on an eighties terracing you'd have quickly discovered a whole new meaning to "robust reply"!

1S81

[hertsbob]

Love, light, peace.

[KiwiPete]

Couple off topic posts and one totally unnecessary post removed from thread.
Please keep the discussion Civil and do not start attacking each other. There is nothing to be gained by doing so, and will result in the thread being locked.

[deltic009]

Just thought I'd add something I forgot about, hadn't seen it covered but that doesn't mean it hasn't been. When I start up TS2013 I have, and always have since the upgrade from 2012, got the following screen.

[gptech]

and always have since the upgrade from 2012, got the following screen.....

In what way are they liars?
Because the original 101 isn't available to add to the cart, or because you already own it so should have no need to add it, or that it's not related to the Isle of Wight?
Whichever one it is, should we all put our heads together and determine at which point a mistake/error/ommision becomes a lie?

[deltic009]

and always have since the upgrade from 2012, got the following screen.....

In what way are they liars?
Because the original 101 isn't available to add to the cart, or because you already own it so should have no need to add it, or that it's not related to the Isle of Wight?
Whichever one it is, should we all put our heads together and determine at which point a mistake/error/ommision becomes a lie?

I fear you are taking the tone of the thread and applying it to my post, I have actually been one of the few not in vocal and complete condemnantion of RSC. Anyway, it has been offering me the chance to pruchase the original 101 pack as highlighted by that screenshot ever since it was withdrawn and it still does. This initially misled me to believe it would make a return, which I now know it won't.

[peteredw]

I think that RSC think that the faithful simmers will keep them afloat and buy anything that RSC offer us , But wake up RSC the average train simmer wants value for his money even more in these bleak economical times and trying to fob the die hard simmers who have bought nearly all there products, with offers like this one will become hardened and dishartened at the way that RSC thinks they can continue to take us for a ride with these one train offers This will backfire on them and they will start to see us voting with our wallets and keep them closed.
The bigger that RSC seem to get the more of the mentality of (we can talke the customer for a ride) seems to be in there thinking. I honestly think we should vote with our pockets if RSC carry on this way. and get them where it hurts in there bank balance and the amount of follower they have.
I have been with THIS train sim from very early on and am starting to get a tarnished feel to it all. they offer things to new customers to entice them in but the customers who have spent thousands on there produces get the odd titbit and nothing else Shame on you RSC your becoming like the bankers GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY. little thought for the underdog customer that keeps them afloat Maybe they need a visit from the GHOST of Christmas past ,present and future, too show them that tiny tim( the Poor customer)is aling and about to give up on them.
BA HUMBUG

[jimmyshand]

Another factor RSC should bear in mind when choosing their business tactic is that many of us now have vast collections of stock and don't feel the same need to snap up everything new that comes along like we did in the early days. This means that I for one can afford to be a lot more choosy over what I buy because I've got more dlc and scenarios than I know what to do with! I could stop buying all dlc today and probably still have enough to keep my interest going for my lifetime.

In the early days when people were screaming out for new stuff, RSC probably would have got away with this "one skin dlc" tactic like the 101, but it's a bizarre move to make when people aren't so desperate for something new. Now more than ever we are looking for value and lots of content in our dlc

[Varney]

Perhaps RSC is now targeting the younger user (under 25) who is part of the 'must have it now' generation*. They will have more money available for DLC purchases as they have fewer commitments (or ask the bank of mum and dad). Also, they will want to purchase modern rolling stock. You only have to look at RSC's facebook page to see the demands for modern unit classes to be made.

*You can sense the frenzy of activity when something new is released, in an effort to be the first to post a screenshot on facebook.

[lakenhamrod]

I have kept away from the forums for a while for the reasons described by another poster earlier on in this thread but feel that I would like to add my twopenny worth, I also feel as if RSC are asking too much of us to expect us to pay twice for something that I already own, I have purchased most of the U K stuff and some of the American and and would shudder at how much it has cost if I had the courage to get a total outlay, although a previous poster has stated that he thinks the DLC is now aimed at the under 25 s there are still a hell of a lot of us older generation out there and as a lot of businesses have now discovered here in the U K, you can only fleece people while they are willing to pay and as the situation has got tighter and tighter some are now going to the wall, If a thousand copies of a DLC were sold when first released prior to the upgrade and this made it viable and now since the upgrade and their present charging policy only nine hundred are sold that one hundred copies could be their profit and if a large percentage of those one thousand copies are in future now only purchased at half price in a sale which no doubt they will be if the postings on all the forums that I have visited seem to indicate then is this the price they envisaged in the first place and the full price just a piece of icing added to the cake ?


Rod.

[jimmyshand]

Perhaps RSC is now targeting the younger user (under 25) who is part of the 'must have it now' generation*. They will have more money available for DLC purchases as they have fewer commitments (or ask the bank of mum and dad). Also, they will want to purchase modern rolling stock. You only have to look at RSC's facebook page to see the demands for modern unit classes to be made.

*You can sense the frenzy of activity when something new is released, in an effort to be the first to post a screenshot on facebook.

I actually raised the issue of Facebook marketing with RSC and to be fair they did seem to listen and soon after the "big survey" appeared. I pointed out that the majority (although I concede not all) of Facebookers are under 25 and hence the repeated calls for unit this and unit that. I pointed out to RSC that marketing solely via Facebook may not give a representative view of the userbase as a whole which probably includes more non-Facebookers and crusty old salts than it does spritely under 25's!! Us older types will be after more BR diesel and leccy's or steam but our voice is seemingly not heard as loudly even though we're probably the majority.

[shanyiqua]

bought the Strathclyde 101 please confirm whether the issues with the original 101 have been dealt with.

Specifically these would be
1. Overly powerful motor vehicles
2. Screaming rear motor vehicles
3. Glowing textures!

1. no
2. no

I did't bought it but i know 1. is because the half implemented diesel mechanical simulation(doesn't using traction curves, the tractive force is constant at any speeds except near the terminal velocity), 2 is the workaround (a hack) to veil the bad simulation(gear changing doesn't affect RPM, see the real RPM value yourself with F5 views). This needs core engine but as the simulation it's untouched since 2007 (release of RS), no chance for any change, as good graphics is enough for the most of the users.