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I have been trying to create some scenarios for the route I am building/upgrading, and I keep getting the same error as soon as I try to route the train out of it's start position, saying failure to path. It happens wherever I start from, AI or player train Most of my track in bi-di, and I have been trying this with a DMU, so electrification is not an issue, and there are no turntables/traversers on the route either. I am starting to loose hope with this, as I have looked at everything.....

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Hi,
I'm begining to think that the editor has become more difficult to use than ever before. However as the problems are with your own route and not a tried and tested route the problem could be anywhere..
Things to try:
Save and come out of game then restart game and go back into editor - sometimes these errors just disappear.
Try adding a destination.
Try removing any instruction s other than from your start position to a destination to see if you can get a path from the dispatcher.
If you are happy the track directionality is not an issue - remember even the smallest break anywhere on your chosen path will result in destination not found errors.
Try starting at other points and try to create a simple short path to test your track properties.
If it looks like track then a route builder will have to help you.
Good Luck!
G.

Kernow2 wrote:Hi,
I'm begining to think that the editor has become more difficult to use than ever before. However as the problems are with your own route and not a tried and tested route the problem could be anywhere..
Things to try:
Save and come out of game then restart game and go back into editor - sometimes these errors just disappear.
Try adding a destination.
Try removing any instruction s other than from your start position to a destination to see if you can get a path from the dispatcher.
If you are happy the track directionality is not an issue - remember even the smallest break anywhere on your chosen path will result in destination not found errors.
Try starting at other points and try to create a simple short path to test your track properties.
If it looks like track then a route builder will have to help you.
Good Luck!
G.

Thanks for the advice, I laid a brand new stretch a track, with a marker at either end, and that routed fine. I placed 3 markers on a stretch of existing track, inbetween 2 existing station markers, it will route between one of the station's, and one of the 'new' markers, but not between the other station, and the 'new' markers. There is no change in track properties (apart from speed) on this stretch, so I am very confused.

I must also add that for a little while, I have been getting this error in RW Tools when I select the route for checking, it has not affected the route up to now, so I am wondering if this is the cause of my scenario problems. Anyone with an idea what it means?

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Hi

One of the slightly irritating things about the track system is that it's sometimes hard to see bad track on a route; for example, a freight train won't travel or be routed on track marked as passenger - even if the only bit marked as such is 1mm long! Alternatively, sometimes you can get breaks in the trackwork that don't show up with "buffers", but do stop trains routing. Finally, if you have had issues in the past with track it can result in "ghost" track, which is invisible but can have markers on it and on which you can even place stock.

It would be lovely if RW could "cleanse" the route better, but the only way forward I know is to eliminate what causes you can until the true cause is clear, and/or then remake the section of track that's at fault.

HTH
Ruth

class313 wrote:I must also add that for a little while, I have been getting this error in RW Tools when I select the route for checking, it has not affected the route up to now, so I am wondering if this is the cause of my scenario problems. Anyone with an idea what it means?

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Probably a bug in RWTools (this never should happen), but it may be caused by exceptional circumstances in Trainsimulator, At least something Mike has never seen before.It essentially says the RWTOOLS gets more data than it anticipated. Normally software should be protected for this kind of input problems.

Sorry to dig this back up, but I have been trying to create some scenarios for Keith Ross' GWML extension, but I have been experiencing this same problem on this, when I have been able to create them before. I am starting to think it was a Railworks update this has created a few of these problems...

I have been going over my route trying to work out where the breaks are, but whenever I fix one break, another apparent one pops a few yards away on the next joint which was not there before, it is really frustrating me now, as I feel like I will never get this route working, has anyone got any idea how to fix this quicker, than by manual checking.

Hi,

You won't be able to "fix" the route in sensible time that way. Try using the Weld tool - if the breaks are "in name only" - i.e. the track is aligned - then you may be able to weld track together by clicking on the grey cube that floats over the joint. Likely not, though. The only alternative is to remove a section of track and recreate it so that it fits.

However, I would ask, why this has happened? One possible cause is that, inadvertently, you have moved a section of track in the original route - perhaps only a few mm - and all the problems result from that. If this is true, and you don't actually want to change the track layout (anywhere) then one option might be to restore the tracks.bin and all track tile .bin files from the original route. Take a backup of the current state beforehand though! Here be dragons!

HTH
Ruth

rivimey wrote:Hi,

You won't be able to "fix" the route in sensible time that way. Try using the Weld tool - if the breaks are "in name only" - i.e. the track is aligned - then you may be able to weld track together by clicking on the grey cube that floats over the joint. Likely not, though. The only alternative is to remove a section of track and recreate it so that it fits.

However, I would ask, why this has happened? One possible cause is that, inadvertently, you have moved a section of track in the original route - perhaps only a few mm - and all the problems result from that. If this is true, and you don't actually want to change the track layout (anywhere) then one option might be to restore the tracks.bin and all track tile .bin files from the original route. Take a backup of the current state beforehand though! Here be dragons!

HTH
Ruth

Thanks for the advice, I also thought it could possible that I had moved a piece of track, and that had caused it, but I have just spends the whole evening trying to relay several sets of points which were causing issues, and guess what, they still don't work, I am totally confused, there is not logical reason why it still does not work, I have made sure every single track property in the junctions are the same, no bad breaks ect. I honestly give up with Railworks, I have spent about 6 months building this route, only to find it will never be able to be used, for me, this is the final straw, until these problems get ironed out, I'm out....

class313 wrote:I honestly give up with Railworks, I have spent about 6 months building this route, only to find it will never be able to be used, for me, this is the final straw, until these problems get ironed out, I'm out....

I know it's only human to get worked up, but sit back and think about it----many are building routes without this problem so is it something you've done? (and believe me, 6 months isn't long) As this is your scenario on your route the onus would be on you to get the ironing done................

As we're a helpful bunch, have you considered asking if anyone would take a look at it for you?...possibly the route building and scenario creation sections would be the best places to ask, but if you're stuck I'd be happy to cast a (non expert route/scenario creator) eye over it.

I have given a copy to a friend, and they have been able to see hundreds of huge breaks in the track, that my railworks could not show me. I have come to the conclusion that there are some dodgy tiles. There appears to be loads of areas which have superelevation, when I have not used it, it is really baffling me. I will upload some screenshots tomorrow to show what I am on about.

Right, to add to what I have already said, the route I am working on is a huge upgrade and extension to Richard Holmes (RCH37401) superb Stenton Mainline

Stenton Main Line V2 [17885585 bytes] - StentonMainLineV2.rwp File ID: 24753 Date: 06 Sep 2010 - 346 Downloads

I have just checked the original file, and the same errors exist, even though many of the tracks have been totally replaced, the theory about corrupted route tiles seems to be more and more likely now. I presume there is no fix for this, I have never come across this before, is it an update to TS2013/RW at some point that has caused this, as I am sure I have not had this problem when I first started working on it?

class313 wrote:I have just checked the original file,

By that do you mean the orignal, untouched, file or the original file containing your modifications?

The original untouched version, i have sent it to a friend who has not upgraded to TS2013 yet, and he has the same errors as well, so it is not a bug introduced in a recent update.