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Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:27 pm
by almark
Ah....the not so brilliant side of working with steam......

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:45 pm
by Stone75
So much negativity :( So its pushed back a few days, some games go back months ! It was an unexpected suprise for me to hear it was coming and i'll be happy when i can get one, but i'm pretty sure i'm not going to sit here waiting for it. Since when did every train arrive on time ? :D

steve

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:46 pm
by AndyM77
almark wrote:Ah....the not so brilliant side of working with steam......
Strange how almost 99% of software manages to be released on time on Steam, but RSC products seemly don't always. The blame lies closer to home IMO.. :wink: Anyhow, this is all speculation and well, erm, :lol:

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:01 pm
by Will

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:21 pm
by jivebunny
£11.99 for one livery, no extra stock and four scenarios that require the user to spend another £25 on Woodhead? Are RSC taking the biscuit? I've just spent £11.97 at Digital Traction and come home with a total of 10 liveries and three carriages :o

I think RSC may be having a laugh there, my Woodhead will remain O4-less purely on principle.

JB

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:23 pm
by prairie4566
Can get it with Woodhead at 30quid? Hmm. Well it gives you somewhere to run it if, like me, you don't have anything of your own to run it on, yet you could have used it when you did.

30quid is a bit much when, after driving the 04, I won't even want Woodhead. :lol:

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:28 pm
by metrobus
But the Woodhead line is amazing :)
Edward

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:35 pm
by prairie4566
I'd only use it to play the scenarios though hehe :lol:

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:40 pm
by emrhd01
Available now:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/208282/

£11.99 Unfortunately I will have to wait for the sales and a more affordable price for me. :cry:

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:43 pm
by darkdj
I too may have to wait until a sale for this, unfortunately. Can anybody enlighten me of the features, bells, whistles, sounds, cabview, detail etc? If it is EXCELLENT I may change my mind and buy it...

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:51 pm
by emrhd01
For those who are interested, the Manual can be read here:

http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/208 ... 1350669009

A bit brief (like a lot of things being released by RSC of late), but worth a quick look by those of us who can't afford to buy it. :roll: One thing I did notice was that shamefully there are no "thanks" given in the "04" Manual to Matt (92212), unless he is now part of RS.com, for his magic with the sounds.

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:03 pm
by prairie4566
Well apparently the sounds are courtesy of 92212, and it looks like a new cab is included, so as much as I expect from a new locomotive Tom.

Model seems the usual standard so it depends (ah! My own decision) whether or not you want it or wanted it previously.

In my case I may relent on the basis of I would have used it in scenarios on the GCR and testing a couple of smaller routes.

So yeah. Might get it sometime tonight hehe :wink:

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:10 pm
by levisham
I've purchased it and will have a run with it tomorrow. As you rightly say, my choice, and I'm happy to pay EUR13.99 for the pleasure.
Not much else to spend your money on when you are 250km from civilisation in the land of the sand. I'm off to bed now.

Regards, John.

Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:24 pm
by crumplezone
Well after the "publishing issues" it finally got released eh, well I bought it regardless of its price, its not particularly to much of a issue and the price tag is pretty much expected from RSC these days, I will note that there should have been the LNER livery included to it wouldn't have been particularly hard for RSC to have done but whatever its there choice at the end of the day.

So we have the Robinson O4, probably one of the most common mixed traffic 2-8-0s to ever grace Woodhead, usually seen in double or triple formations aswell as singular on lighter workings they were pretty much in use for a great deal of the lines steam career stemming as far back as the Grand Central days and its first designs originating in 1911 and a fair amount of the class reached end of service to 1960. A popular locomotive with crews even with its open cab design and was overall a excellent locomotive with over 400 built over its lifetime.

So we now have this locomotive in Railworks, have RSC delivered? That question going to be answered in the following:

The O4 represented in the pack is one of the later designs featuring the thinner boiler while retaining the original cab. A quick look around the locomotive shows pretty accurate model work, the body of the locomotive doesn't look off and has all the appropriate O4 shape and design associated with the later editions, plenty detail has been put in and referencing to actual photos it looks like everything is where it should be and looks the right shape. Cab has also been done well and seems like everything is where it should be, its a require head out of cab to see along the locomotive, the Robinsons weren't built for there cab views.

Effects on the locomotive include large gouts of cyclinder cocks blow off, steam release from the actual cyclinders both under and jetting out on piston action of the connection rods, both are regulated by the regulator and become more cloudy depending on how far you put the regulator up. A double gout of steam is also present escaping from under the cab area flowing backward under the tender and steam effects are present on the safety valves which also to note will explode upwards in a thin long gout when the valve pops like real world examples.

Edit: Just noticed another effect while running another scenario, when the water is being pumped to the boiler there is water leakage from under the cab from one of the pipes.

Also to note, proper and correctly placed sander effects which are sand coloured and not steam coloured, huzzah.

Lighting effects include a subdued but effective light up of lamps on both front and back of the locomotive, the white lamps on the front just barely light up the buffers and red paintwork. Someone at RSC seems to also have taken note after being told "stop adding the nuclear glow to steam engines", the Robinson O4 has a subtle but effect yellow-ish firebox glow which lights up the cab nicely but is not overpowered and only shines out onto the track next to it.

Sound wise Matt's hand in them is noticable to the extreme and its probably one of the best RSC released steam locomotive soundsets to date, Matt is I would say the Armstrong Powerhouse of steam locomotive soundsets. Sounds are excellent, there is certainly no question in that and they have been recorded well and correctly, comparing to the video I posted earlier in the thread the chuff beat is near identical as your going to get in a digital version, it has the traditional split 1st and 2nd valve effect which Matt has been using on steam locomotives where the beat is lower on lower % and higher and more powerful on higher %. Cyclinder cocks interact correctly with alterations to the regulator and feature the whoosh-hiss whoosh-hiss associated with the piston action and rotation of the drive wheels. Also to note while at speed there is a regularly hiss-hiss-hiss associated with the piston action and wheel rotation in the cylinder area. A loud and prominent safety valve is also available and also when the regulator is off proper rod clanking can be heard. To note the chuff beat is regular and in sync with wheel rotation and is properly smoothed as the locomotive goes up in speed and sounds great.

Ok, so there is one negative for the soundset, and its unfortunately for me the whistle. It doesn't sound quite right, I believe it is correct, however to me it feels...oh I don't know like it belongs on a saddle tank or a narrow guage locomotive rather than a 2-8-0, maybe I'm just to used to big noisy stainer hooters and the shrill GWR whistles or the chime whistles of LNER pacifics, but to me it feels just a smidge out of place or not meaty enough.

So what is like to drive? Its a pleasure to drive as a steam locomotive and can handle its loads given to it in the scenarios provided, granted the actual O4 hauled alot more than what is present in the scenarios and it also featured in double heading or tripling heading with bankers on the back to for some loads. It certainly would be more at home with the smaller coal wagons and PO coal wagons aswell as long mixed freight formations, it isn't uncommon to see in Woodhead photos of O4s pulling 30-40 wagon loads and the double and triple formations pulling 45-50, weather or not it can do that in game I'm not sure as of yet, but it seems powerful enough.

Is it worth buying? It depends on ones own opinion, it only has one livery and a few scenarios which are in requirement of a additional route so some might feel this is lack of value for money, but on the flip side its accurately modelled, has a excellent soundset and is completely appropriate and correct for the scenarios included, it can replace the 8Fs which were practically not even seen on Woodhead and with a prototypical locomotive and can finally give the Woodhead some correct steam traction alongside the V2s and the B1 to follow from RSC in the future, the O4 also really isn't out of touch running alongside the 76 and 77s as they were still in service right up to the late 50s.

At the end of the day I'm happy with the purchase(after finally been able to purchase the damn thing, thanks steam :roll: )and while its not super feature intensive its got all the steam effects, correct soundset and is fun to drive and acts and drives like a steam locomotives so for me that is just fine.

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Re: Robinson O4 2-8-0 coming soon

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:00 pm
by firstborn
Was well pleased to see the offer for buying the loco and route together.... it lessened the blow of the agreeably otherwise expensive loco.

Disappointed at the stingey 4 scenarios, one of which is a 10 minute introduction to the loco, which really means 3 scenarios.

Also, not sure if i'm doing something wrong, but once you have the loco up to speed with some inertia behind it... it's nigh on impossible to stop... even at 100% brake from 20mph... it just doesn't slow down... i over-ran one stop by about a mile, lol :oops: it is an old loco, so i guess that's probably accurate.

Overall, it looks beautiful, and (as expected Matt) sounds fantastic 8)


I have to also give a quick mention to the Woodhead route... it's completely stunning and i can't believe i didn't buy it sooner