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Folks,
I've seen people mention several steam locos that I wasn't aware of. Would it be worth making a list of locos and sources, e.g.:

Updated #3:

BR:
BR Britannia : 4-6-2
BR 9F : 2-10-0 : UKTS
BR Standard 4 : 2-6-4 Tank : RSC & DT

GNR
N2 : 0-6-2 Tank : FP

GCR
Robinson Class D11 Director : 4-4-0 Tender : UKTS
Robinson Class O4 ROD : 2-8-0 Tender : UKTS

GER
Claud : 4-4-0 Tender : ??

LNER
Thompson B1 : 4-6-0 Tender : RSC [RSN]
V2 : 2-6-2 Tender : UKTS, RSC
A1 Tornado : 4-6-2 Tender : RSC
A3 : 4-6-2 Tender : UKTS, RSC
A4 (several) : 4-6-2 Tender : JT
B17 (Streamlined) : 4-6-0 Tender : UKTS
K4 3441 Loch Long : 2-6-0 Tender : UKTS
J94 : 0-6-0 Saddle Tank : Meshtools [RSN]

L&YR
Aspinall Class 5 : 2-4-2 Tank : FP

GWR
King : 4-6-0 Tender : RSC, UKTS
Hall : 4-6-0 Tender : RSC, UKTS
Manor : 4-6-0 Tender : JT [RSN]
Collett Class 2251 : 0-6-0 Tender : UKTS
Class 1366 : 0-6-0 Tank : UKTS
Class 45xx : 2-6-2 Tank : UKTS
Class 4575 : 2-6-2 Tank : UKTS
Class 56xx : 0-6-2 Tank : RSC
Class 57xx Pannier : 0-6-0 Tank : UKTS, RSC
Class 94xx Pannier : UKTS
Class 51xx Large Prairie : 2-6-2 Tank : FP
Class 61xx Large Prairie : 2-6-2 Tank : DT

Midland
1F : 0-6-0 Tank : ??
Johnson/Deeley 3F : 0-6-0 Tender : ??
Fowler 2P : 4-4-0 Tender : RSC, DT
Fowler 4F : 0-6-0 Tender : UKTS, RSC
Class 2P : 0-4-4 Tank : UKTS
Fowler 3F Jinty : 0-6-0 Tank : UKTS/FP
Patriot / Baby Scot 5XP : 4-6-0 Tender : UKTS, JT
Johnson Single : 2-2-2 Tender : UKTS
Johnson : 4-4-0 : UKTS
Johnson : 4-4-2 : UKTS

Somerset & Dorset
7F : 2-8-0 Tender : RSC

Caledonian
Drummond Class 80 No.80: 4-4-0 Tender : UKTS
Drummond Class 80 No.195 : 4-4-0 Tender : UKTS
McIntosh Dunalastair I 4-4-0 No 732 : 4-4-0 Tender : UKTS

LMS
Stanier Black 5 : 4-6-0 Tender : UKTS, RSC
Stanier 8F : 2-8-0 Tender : RSC (2 versions)
Stanier Jubilee : 4-6-0 Tender : RSC
Ivatt 2MT : 2-6-2 Tank : FP
Ivatt 2MT : 2-6-0 Tender : FP
Stanier Mogul : 2-6-0 Tender : UKTS
Princess Coronation (streamlined) : 4-6-2 Tender : JT

LB&SCR
A1 Terrier : 0-6-0 Tank : UKTS
G Class 325 : 2-2-2 Tender : UKTS

SR
Maunsell U class : 2-6-0 Tender : UKTS
Light Pacific : 4-6-2 Tender : DT, RSC
Rebuilt Light Pacific : 4-6-2 Tender : JT, DT
Q1 Austerity : 0-6-0 Tender : DPSimulation
WestCountry : 4-6-2 Tender : UKTS
Battle of Britain : 4-6-2 Tender : UKTS

IOW
Invincible : 0-4-0 Tank : RSC (IOW)
A1X Terrier / IOWSR W11 Newport : 0-4-0 Tank : UKTS

Coris
Locomotive no 1, 2'3" : 0-4-2 ST : UKTS
Locomotive no 2, 2'3" : 0-4-2 ST : UKTS

Ffestiniog
Hunslet 2' "Britomart" : 0-4-0 ST : UKTS

Talyllyn
"Dolgoch" : 0-4-0ST : UKTS

Other/Industrial
Hawthorn Saddle Tank : 0-4-0ST : RSC
USA 0-6-0 Dock Tank : 0-6-0 Tank : RSC (Phorum)
Andrew Barclay : 0-4-0 ST : UKTS



Notes: I've not included reskins, (so only models with geometry included), and the category (BR, LMS etc) is of the original builder. I have not attempted to indicate the model's creator, just the supplier. For source, X & Y means they provide the same model. X, Y means (possibly) two models.

Abbreviations: RSC=RailSimulator.Com, FP=Freeware Pack, UKTS=UKTrainSim.com, JT=Just Trains, DT=Digital Traction, [RSN]=Real Soon Now (to be released).

UPDATED 30 JUNE 2012

A useful list.

I would make a few corrections though.

The B1 was an LNER loco rather than GCR.

The BR Standard Class 4 was a 2-6-4T.

The Black 5 is a Stanier design that originated on the LMS although some weren't built until after nationalisation. This is consistent with your allocation of the Stanier 8F to the LMS with some built after nationalisation.

The LBSC Terrier was an 0-6-0T not a 4-4-0.

I haven't heard of the GWR Hawksworth County 4-6-0 in the pipeline although I believe there is a Manor 4-6-0 being produced by someone.

I have not come across a Lord Nelson class 4-6-0 for the SR but there is a Maunsell U class 2-6-0 in the UKTS library.

There was an LNER A3 4-6-2 "Coronach" in the UKTS file library a while back. I don't know if it is still there?

There were two Caledonian Railway Dunalastairs and a Class 80 4-4-0s in the UKTS library a while back. I don't know if they are still there?

Meshtools have an LNER J94 0-6-0 saddle tank due for release shortly (?) and there is also their pack of the L&Y Class 26 and 27, Midland 1F 0-6-0T and Midland 3F in the pipeline that they posted all the teasers for some time back.

I am not being critical, just trying to help make the list accurate and complete.

Mervyn

Mervyn

This would be nice to see updated.

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 5&t=102667

Yep, a Manor will eventually be released by JustTrains. I believe it's the work of Matt Ivey. Then there's the debate over a WIP Castle

The same chap who produced the U boat was planning further Maunsell related locos.

Coronach is derived from Peter Harvey's A3 Solario

A3 BR 60093 Coronach [9477305 bytes] - A3_BR_Coronach.zip File ID: 24252 Date: 17 Jun 2010 - 3978 Downloads

Interestingly there are no less than three Dunalastairs and two Class 80s in the Rail Simulator section.

Mods might consider making this a sticky like the one I referenced, which hasn't been updated for some time.

A minor correction - the forthcoming Midland 3F 0-6-0 from Meshtools is a tender engine (Johnson/Deeley). The Midland/LMS 3F 0-6-0T is the Fowler design which is commonly known as the Jinty. The Great Western "Large Prairies" 51xx and 61xx are both 2-6-2Ts.

If you look in the Railsimulator section of the UKTS File Library you will see there is also a Midland Johnson 4-4-0 and a Midland 4-2-2 Spinner, both of which are quite old models now. There is also an LNER A3 4-6-2 "Solario" and a Somerset & Dorset Johnson 4-4-0. The Great Western "Small Prairie" 2-6-2T has two variants known as the 45xx class and the 4575 class (the latter has larger water tanks with a sloping top). Both variants are available.

Apologies if I am wrong but isn't the SR Light Pacific (not the rebuit version) from DT the same as the Battle of Britain and West Country models in the UKTS file library?

Strictly speaking the Great Western 0-6-0 Pannier Tank 6435 is from a different class (The 64xx, with 5ft 2in wheels and a parallel chimney) to the 57xx pannier(which has 4ft 7" wheels and a taper chimney) but appears just to be repaint if the 57xx.

Sorry if I am being excessively pedantic - it comes with old age!

Mervyn

Both light pacifics are models of the same class but by different creators.

mervyn61 wrote:The B1 was an LNER loco rather than GCR.

Well, not quite - the original LNER B1 was the GCR Class 8C. These were re-classified as B18 when the Thomson B1s were introduced.

Another omission is the USA 0-6-0 Dock Tank included with Phorum Peninsula.

The 0-4-0 saddle tank is a standard Hawthorn Leslie design I think, not specific to the LB&SCR

The modellers some of the locomotives have been attributed to are incorrect also. I started to list them but actually it would be far more straightforward to rebuild the list from scratch with the appropriate attributions I think.

alanch wrote:

mervyn61 wrote:The B1 was an LNER loco rather than GCR.

Well, not quite - the original LNER B1 was the GCR Class 8C. These were re-classified as B18 when the Thomson B1s were introduced.

Can I suggest that where different railway companies were amalgamated together that both the pre- and post- names are used?

For example, the loco in the previous post could be shown as GCR 8C (LNER B1) so the information is properly linked together.

FoggyMorning wrote:The modellers some of the locomotives have been attributed to are incorrect also. I started to list them but actually it would be far more straightforward to rebuild the list from scratch with the appropriate attributions I think.

Are you talking about models that have been made by one person/group but are available from some other location, for example if the Foggy Morning Modelling Corporation made a locomotive and had it published by RailSimulator.com? In my opinion the availability is probably more important than the identity of the person who made it originally.

transadelaide wrote:

FoggyMorning wrote:The modellers some of the locomotives have been attributed to are incorrect also. I started to list them but actually it would be far more straightforward to rebuild the list from scratch with the appropriate attributions I think.

Are you talking about models that have been made by one person/group but are available from some other location, for example if the Foggy Morning Modelling Corporation made a locomotive and had it published by RailSimulator.com? In my opinion the availability is probably more important than the identity of the person who made it originally.

A fair point, and I had not considered that actually.

There are still a few errors if this approach is taken though;

Maunsell U Class ; available on UKTS
There is no free version of either Flying Scotsman or Tornado on UKTS
The Hall is no longer available from Digital Traction
The 94XX is on UKTS, not available from RSC
Rebuilt Light Pacific is available only from JT

Corris No. 1 and Talyllyn "Dolgoch" (2' 3" gauge) not listed; available on UKTS

alanch wrote:

mervyn61 wrote:The B1 was an LNER loco rather than GCR.

Well, not quite - the original LNER B1 was the GCR Class 8C. These were re-classified as B18 when the Thomson B1s were introduced.

That's why I got confused: I looked up B1 and found GCR - without enough delving!

Ruth

FoggyMorning wrote:[...]

There are still a few errors if this approach is taken though;

Maunsell U Class ; available on UKTS
There is no free version of either Flying Scotsman or Tornado on UKTS
The Hall is no longer available from Digital Traction
The 94XX is on UKTS, not available from RSC
Rebuilt Light Pacific is available only from JT

Corris No. 1 and Talyllyn "Dolgoch" (2' 3" gauge) not listed; available on UKTS

I have made no effort to distinguish the creator of a model; just where it can be obtained, thus the large number of items from RSC that I know were from other places.

Tornado/UKTS is indeed an error.

Flying Scotsman/UKTS isn't quite right, I know, but the UKTS is there because you can get A3 Solario from UKTS, and I have also made no attempt to record individual locomotives in the list, just classes (except where the loco was the class or I knew no better). In this case, it would have been better to omit the names.

RSC list the Rebuilt LP as obtainable from Steam, and JT list the Light Pacific.

94xx is an error too: I'd thought I'd seen it elsewhere.


Should no-longer-available items be de-listed? I'm not sure.

Should the model-creator be listed or is it not really relevant?

Should the designed-for Host Sim be listed: I'd suggest RS, RW2, TS2012 as the list of options, if used.


Regards
Ruth

rivimey wrote: RSC list the Rebuilt LP on their website as something obtainable from Steam, which is why it was listed. Interestingly, they don't list the unrebuilt one.

This is the only Bulleid LP I see listed on RailSimulator.com: http://www.railsimulator.com/productdet ... ?Ref=24072

Should no-longer-available items be de-listed? I'm not sure.

Should the model-creator be listed or is it not really relevant?

Should the designed-for Host Sim be listed: I'd suggest RS, RW2, TS2012 as the list of options, if used.

Regards
Ruth

I think if you are listing by availability, it makes little sense to include places where the item was previously, but is no longer available from, except perhaps as a footnote, which may be approaching a greater level of detail than necessary/desirable.

Listing the model creator, especially in the case of freeware, is perhaps unnecessary but I feel it is a nice touch

The only distinction I would draw would be between TS2012 optimized and non-TS2012 optimized. Although again, in the case of steam locomotives it is perhaps less of a factor than with other types of traction.

Steve

Before I get taken to task, my comment about the Great Western 64xx pannier tank was not entirely correct!

The 64xx class had 4ft 7in wheels (the same as the 57xx class) not 5ft 2in as I stated. They did have a parallel chimney rather than a taper one on the 57xx and the wheelbase was different. They also had the rounded cab similar to the later 8750 class of pannier and different to the earlier series. Apologies for the incorrect inofrmation, but I have now set the record straight!

The B1 is the Thompson class 4-6-0, introduced in 1943, which is the loco being produced by RSC, so it is pure LNER not ex-GCR. There may well have been an earlier B1 that was an ex-GCR loco as my knowledge of the LNER is not that extensive.

As some of the other posts have shown, what started out as a simple list has turned out to be a bit of a minefield. On that note, I intend to keep quiet from now on!

Mervyn

rivimey wrote:RSC list the Rebuilt LP as obtainable from Steam, and JT list the Light Pacific.

Pretty certain it is the other way around, actually.