Atomic Systems

gypbrc wrote:The door thing would be pretty straightforward. It's the lights which are off the most. The 455/8 is a pretty good model. Also don't forget the 455/8 SWT reskin in the library here. Both 455/8 and 455/9 SWT units are seen around Clapham.

On the subject of scenarios, I started on a few days ago and have added about 2 dozen AI trains down as far as East Croydon only to now get a SBHH every single time I have trie going into map view. This is with everything on lowest possible settings!

Could be a duff file (try the units in a different route) but I have found that when the graphics get pushed (even at low or high settings) the SBHH occurs with monotonous regularlity

Yeah, after placing the first 10 or so trains, I had an SBHH every time I tried to place another. Meaning I could only place one before having to restart TS2012. Now it just doesn't even want to let me place one. If I fly there (East Croydon is a long way from Victoria!), then as soon as the scenery starts loading at East Croydon, I get an SBHH again. I don't know how related to RAM the problem is. I can't understand why I can run the route on medium settings without a problem, but I can't use the editor on low settings without an SBHH.

It could be a variety of things causing SBHH's but its becoming annoying now. I was very suprised that it was not mentioned in the LB fix as it seems a lot of others are having this as well. (I've got 4GB RAM)

I've yet to be hit by this SBHH bug. I've got nearly 40 AI services going and yet to see anything beyond the normal SBHH routine of RW.

Although I did get a very odd one. Running a 444 through Clapham from its start to a portal is fine but it routes via the wrong platform. Add a "Go Via" to send it via the right platform, SBHH. Repeatable every time.

To get the UKTS 455 running will I need to tick the Kuju box? Or just a specific creator, if so which one? If I need that Kuju box then I shall be fine without 455s!

DRB_SimStuff>UK for the Southern 455. It has dependencies in the Kuju folder only for bogie and coupling audio and the driver. I didn't bother ticking it. Maybe that's why the SBHH.

*scurries off to try that out*

Edit.
You could just copy those objects to the DRB_SImStuff folder and alter the bins. Probably the best way of doing it.

Edit again.
Is this part of a scenario you are creating or just for fun? Might make an interesting 'spotting' scenario to just hang around on the platforms.

gypbrc wrote:DRB_SimStuff>UK for the Southern 455. It has dependencies in the Kuju folder only for bogie and coupling audio and the driver. I didn't bother ticking it. Maybe that's why the SBHH.

*scurries off to try that out*

Edit.
You could just copy those objects to the DRB_SImStuff folder and alter the bins. Probably the best way of doing it.

Edit again.
Is this part of a scenario you are creating or just for fun? Might make an interesting 'spotting' scenario to just hang around on the platforms.

It's part of a scenario but they will be AI traffic. I may pass on them if I need the Kuju files, not entirely sure how to do the bin editing or what I would be moving.

I guess this is where a Southern reskin of the Thomson 455 would be a good idea; at least then only one provider is required.

The SBHH thingy is pointing mopre and more to a GRAHICS memory problem?

Doesn't really matter how much RAM you have for the CPU if your graphics card isn't up to it then there is no escape.

For example, I get the dreaded in certain areas of the route but in other, less dense areas, I don't. I have SPEEDFAN installed on my system and this gives a readout of the graphics card temprature - when I run TS2012 it goes well over 60c; under normal usage (say browser) it sits arounf 40-45c and at idle 35-37c. SmartDoctor helps control the fans btw and reduces the risc of the syatem overheating and stopping without warning! [suggestion: any developers out there - save your work VERY often!!]

Traveller54 wrote:The SBHH thingy is pointing mopre and more to a GRAHICS memory problem?

Doesn't really matter how much RAM you have for the CPU if your graphics card isn't up to it then there is no escape.

For example, I get the dreaded in certain areas of the route but in other, less dense areas, I don't. I have SPEEDFAN installed on my system and this gives a readout of the graphics card temprature - when I run TS2012 it goes well over 60c; under normal usage (say browser) it sits arounf 40-45c and at idle 35-37c. SmartDoctor helps control the fans btw and reduces the risc of the syatem overheating and stopping without warning! [suggestion: any developers out there - save your work VERY often!!]

Nothing to do with graphics, a few people who have high spec pcs have reported having this problem but i'm going to stop there as I risk repeating myself.

gypbrc wrote:I guess this is where a Southern reskin of the Thomson 455 would be a good idea; at least then only one provider is required.

Is there actually a noticeable difference between the 455/8 and 455/9? Looking at wiki (again, very little knowledge about this stuff) it would seem the only difference is the 455/9s were built in a different batch to the 455/8s. It would seem only the 455/7 is actually different having the TSO from a 508.

All of the Southern 455's have this type of roof at the cab ends, whereas the 455 modelled by Thomson has this style cab end. SWT have units from both batches.

adding the track sounds has definitely changed the atmosphere of this route! especially when sitting outside east croydon and seeing/hearing trains pass with it! But is it me (am I being extremely picky here..) or it's very repetitive, as in like one sound file playing randomly quite a lot? I don't know how these sound files work on here but the repetition bugs me after a while! I'm probably just being incredibly petty, but if anyone else has noticed it I will feel a little bit more sane.

Also the tunnel texture seemed to have changed for me since the update, I run without TSX and before hand I was quite impressed with how dark tunnels felt inn the route, but since then the track's become more illuminated and out of place again, I'm 99% sure I haven't changed any settings of mine for this to happen though!

Traveller54 wrote:The SBHH thingy is pointing mopre and more to a GRAHICS memory problem?

Doesn't really matter how much RAM you have for the CPU if your graphics card isn't up to it then there is no escape.

For example, I get the dreaded in certain areas of the route but in other, less dense areas, I don't. I have SPEEDFAN installed on my system and this gives a readout of the graphics card temprature - when I run TS2012 it goes well over 60c; under normal usage (say browser) it sits arounf 40-45c and at idle 35-37c. SmartDoctor helps control the fans btw and reduces the risc of the syatem overheating and stopping without warning! [suggestion: any developers out there - save your work VERY often!!]

If graphics card memory is overloaded, it'll get "paged out" to system Ram. Missing textures, and slow texture loading would be a sign of this happening, and wouldn't (or shouldn't) be a cause of SBHH.

For me the constant SBHH I get using the scenario editor began after the last core update in February. It happens in every route. I'm hoping next week's core update will address the issue.

Workaround for the SBHH problem.

Go to content\routes\00000034-a000-0000-0000-000000002012
Rename Mixmap to something such as Mixmap_bak
Rename Scenery to something such as Scenery_bak

Go to \Networks
Rename Loft Tile to something such as Loft Tiles_bak
Rename Road Tiles to something such as Road Tiles_bak

Clear cache and start route. You will be left with just the track network and green terrain. Edit away. You will need to have a reasonable knowledge of the route as you will no longer have any reference points station buildings wise.

Obviously revert those name changes when driving the route.