Stttttuttering bad!

[stevee630]

Hello all,
I'm back to TS again after a longish break. Just happened to see Liverpool to Manchester (a route that i've toyed with buying for yonks, its my neck of the woods.) and it was less than half price on steam, so i bought it straight away.
Is this route demanding on system or something? I've never had stutters like this in TS since the days of MSTS on a rubbish system on Dorset coast or something like that. I'm not talking about the little frame dips i get on WCML either, these are proper annoying stops/stutters.
I reset my graphics to default,using my nvidia control panel, because i didn't know where i was at with them after messing with them a few months ago. Then i just adjusted them down a bit from the in game settings. Turned the major culprits down. This is either a badly designed route, by that i mean poorly optimized for TS, or somethings wrong my end. I'm glad i didn't fork out the full 30 quid for it.
P.S. I wish i'd left all the settings where they were, because i've just run the hand over scenario on WCML, and the stutters that we ironed out largely (when i say we, i mean Peter and Gary) are back! I wish there was just a slider, Performance/Quality or whatever, i'd just tweak that for each route lol.

Specs
Intel Core i5-4690K
Running at 4.4Ghz
8Gb DDR3 SDRAM
EVGA e-GeForce GTX 970 4 GB GDDR5 SDRAM
250GB Samsung SSD 840 EVO
1TB HDD
Microsoft Windows 8.1 (x64)

Anyone else with similar experiences with this route?
Stephen.

[secludedsfx]

I don't have any issues with the route, you sure it isn't the stock on it with their shadow casting lights (I seem to recall the 47 had it really bad).

[gptech]

I can't recall anybody posting about having severe problems with this route, it's seen as a fairly well behaved one so I think you/we need to look at your settings again Steve. You've a good spec, and particularly because of the SSD shouldn't really suffer from stuttering, or at least not at tile boundaries. Can you fly about the route smoothly enough if you drop into it through the build menu?

[brysonman46]

This is a very well behaved route. Andy Freeman and I have been regressing it to BR Blue era, and extending it by adding the Chat Moss line through Earlestown to Manchester Victoria, practically doubling the size, and we do not suffer from any problems (I work mostly on a laptop!). The first part of the regression is on the Workshop at http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... irelogin=1, whilst the progress on the second part can be seen on https://www.flickr.com/photos/113166928 ... 0591570550
We hope to have it complete in a month or 2.

Nick

PS we may get to Bolton one day!

[stevee630]

Thank you for your replies, yes it does seem to behave well as i watched a few vids of it on youtube last night made over a year ago, and they seemed to run really smoothly. Gary, i don't have my TS installed on my SSD but the other one, the large storage drive. Could this make a difference? I seem to remember you saying put the OS on the SSD and all the games on the other drive, but i could be wrong. At the moment as i said, i've got my nvidia settings at default, by that i mean its just as if the game had installed itself and set the settings for me. I have turned a couple of things off like dynamic lighting (which i like) and turned the shadows practically off, but i've not set up my graphics card.
If someone with a similar system and an nvidia card could possibly post their card settings, it would be much appreciated.
I agree that this route shouldn't cause problems, because i googled the route with "poor fps" added to the search and got nothing!
Stephen.

[stevee630]

Bolton? that would be quite something Nick.
Gary, i went into the editor and noticed the same sort of thing just flying around. But i maxed out all my settings, just to give me a baseline. (In game settings).
This is even more annoying now that i know that this route is easy on the system! On the first scenario, i forget the name, the first hit is at 4.97 miles from liverpool south parkway, then 4.30, 3.66, 3.26,2.57, then i came out. That was doing the scenario, not in editor.

[stevee630]

I just tried something. I don't know if this is scary or a clue. I turned all the in game settings to the lowest possible. And the stutters are exactly the same, not even slightly better than when on maximum settings! What the heck is going on?? Basic stuff regarding my pc is all ok, like no need for defrag and no other programs that i know of running in background, and only windows defender as AV. And my drivers up to date. I'm lost.
Stephen.

[peterfhayes]

steve630

Gary, i don't have my TS installed on my SSD but the other one, the large storage drive. Could this make a difference? I seem to remember you saying put the OS on the SSD and all the games on the other drive, but i could be wrong

Having TS installed on an SSD will not improve performance per se but it will make loading and reading code when TS2016 is running up to 40 - 50 x faster than a conventional HDD and that could mean less stuttering as data is retrieved faster by the OS and hence processed faster/smoother by the cpu.

The other big stutterer is Vsync so you need to look at your settings here. there is no vsync control in TS2016 so you can set all these via the NVidia control panel. Start with no vsync but set a fps limit via Steam in TS2016 - (command line option), then try adaptive vsync , the vsync alone, then vsync with triple buffering with or without a fps limit, to see which is the least stutterable.

That 8GB RAM is good but it would be interesting to see your rig with 16GB matched RAM to see if that eliminates usage of the paging file (can cause stuttering) to a large extent.
Make sure that your on board video is disabled and the BIOS is accessing the PCIe/PEG link mode by default.
Regards
pH
I have a similar rig to yours video card wise and the only stutter I see is at a poorly written tile boundary, so this sim can run reasonably smoothly if set up properly.

[stevee630]

Thanks for all that Peter, i'm just digesting it. And wondering the quickest way to transfer my TS from the HDD to the SDD lol. I may look into getting some more RAM too.
Stephen.

[gptech]

Try it with Windows Defender turned off.

[stevee630]

Didn't make any difference that Gary. Most baffling thing to me is the lack of difference between max settings and lowest settings in game
Peter, i looked in BIOS and it said cpu graphics disabled, and the other setting, the graphics one was set to auto, which it says will detect any card thats linked to PCI-E or words to that effect.

[stevee630]

I decided to take the plunge and went up to Scan computers and bought another 8gb of matching ram. And guess what, PROBLEM SOLVED!! Hooray! I must admit i wasn't sure if that would work or not, but i thought well, you can't really have too much ram anyway. So thank you for that suggestion Peter. I even have it on high settings as well.
I remember Gary saying last year that its all about having a "balanced system", so i suppose i'm more balanced now.
I'm really chuffed to get it sorted out so thank you to all of you for your help. Don't know what i'd do without this forum sometimes.
Stephen.

[deltic009]

I decided to take the plunge and went up to Scan computers and bought another 8gb of matching ram. And guess what, PROBLEM SOLVED!! Hooray! I must admit i wasn't sure if that would work or not, but i thought well, you can't really have too much ram anyway. So thank you for that suggestion Peter. I even have it on high settings as well.
I remember Gary saying last year that its all about having a "balanced system", so i suppose i'm more balanced now.
I'm really chuffed to get it sorted out so thank you to all of you for your help. Don't know what i'd do without this forum sometimes.
Stephen.

This may be bad news for me as it will spur me on to getting 16Gb RAM in the hope of further improvements LOL

Glad you have it sorted though.

[brysonman46]

Great news - now subscribe to the BR Blue version of LivMan!

[stevee630]

I would, but i've had a look and i need WCML over shap and something else. Wondering whether to get WCML trent valley next to be honest, but spent a fortune recently