MTUs? In an IC-branded HST?

[Wikkus]

What's that all about, then?

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Rik.

[msey0002]

was wondering the same myself to be honest. can anyone answer our questions?

[Valenta17]

Why not.

[kirkheath]

Does it mean that these are just aliased to the armstrong soundset or something else?

[Wikkus]

Why not.

Well, I suppose that is a response

{mode = Grumpy Curmudgeon}

But by that token, why not let's have a Deltic-powered Jocko or a steam 66? Equally useful, IMNSHO...

At the risk of re-igniting the whole game vs sim debate for the umpteenth time, what's the point in putting time and effort into something that serves no real purpose other than the "because you can" justification? Had they been asked, the community might have given the author -- who is clearly more capable at re-skinning than a buffoon like myself -- some genuine and useful ideas!

Can we not move things like this, i.e. non-prototypical re-skins (and there are a fair few) into a 'fictitious' section? The community, generally, is crying-out for more content, but by and large, they want actual prototypes, not imaginary reskins. I don't agree with any stance taken that "this is the same as 'Garry's Mod' for HL2"... If it's imaginary stuff you want, go check out Rail Similarity...

I fully anticipate cries of "Don't you try to stifle our creativity!" and/or "If you don't like it, don't download it!", etc. in response to my grumpy old ranting and, ultimately, that's quite true; I do indeed have a choice and it's Matt's decision as to what is and isn't hosted on his site, but hey, the time for fictitious re-skins on the grounds that they were a substitute for something that was otherwise missing (and we had masses of that in the early days of MSTS in particular -- anyone remember re-skinned Acela's as 91s, etc?) is pretty much gone, so who needs (or wants) fictitious reskins just on the grounds on "because I can"?

{/mode}

Rik.

[Wikkus]

Does it mean that these are just aliased to the armstrong soundset or something else?

No idea, Kirk... Can't see the point either way :s

Rik.

[rwaceyw]

Can we not move things like this, i.e. non-prototypical re-skins (and there are a fair few) into a 'fictitious' section? The community, generally, is crying-out for more content, but by and large, they want actual prototypes, not imaginary reskins. I don't agree with any stance taken that "this is the same as 'Garry's Mod' for HL2"... If it's imaginary stuff you want, go check out Rail Similarity...

I fully anticipate cries of "Don't you try to stifle our creativity!" and/or "If you don't like it, don't download it!", etc. in response to my grumpy old ranting and, ultimately, that's quite true; I do indeed have a choice and it's Matt's decision as to what is and isn't hosted on his site, but hey, the time for fictitious re-skins on the grounds that they were a substitute for something that was otherwise missing (and we had masses of that in the early days of MSTS in particular -- anyone remember re-skinned Acela's as 91s, etc?) is pretty much gone, so who needs (or wants) fictitious reskins just on the grounds on "because I can"?

Possibly the best post ever written on the KRS forum, and one I agree with entirely - the ratio of people working on 'real' reskins as opposed to fictional applications is the main reason I don't use KRS.

Dave

[g0fthick]

If people wish to create and share ficticious liveries, then so be it. Simply hover your mouse away from that download icon.

[superdrive1]

I don't use KRS, but it keeps popping under 'Show New Posts', so why not reply.

I see fictional reskins as a "what-if" type thing, nothing wrong with it. Some like to model the "real" railways, others just like something different. Can't we all be different.

Adam.

[philspace]

Another trainee RW Content Creator probably put off for life!

Well done lads - keep it up!

[Darpor]

I am not a fan of fictional liveries, they will very rarely be used by me if ever but I do know that a lot of people wanting to get involved in re-skinning are starting with fictional liveries as a method of practice, nothing wrong with that in my eyes. To start a thread and turn it into what it is now is probably a tad unfair to the creator of this upload.

[AndyUK]

Can we not move things like this, i.e. non-prototypical re-skins (and there are a fair few) into a 'fictitious' section? The community, generally, is crying-out for more content, but by and large, they want actual prototypes, not imaginary reskins. I don't agree with any stance taken that "this is the same as 'Garry's Mod' for HL2"... If it's imaginary stuff you want, go check out Rail Similarity...

I fully anticipate cries of "Don't you try to stifle our creativity!" and/or "If you don't like it, don't download it!", etc. in response to my grumpy old ranting and, ultimately, that's quite true; I do indeed have a choice and it's Matt's decision as to what is and isn't hosted on his site, but hey, the time for fictitious re-skins on the grounds that they were a substitute for something that was otherwise missing (and we had masses of that in the early days of MSTS in particular -- anyone remember re-skinned Acela's as 91s, etc?) is pretty much gone, so who needs (or wants) fictitious reskins just on the grounds on "because I can"?

Possibly the best post ever written on the KRS forum, and one I agree with entirely - the ratio of people working on 'real' reskins as opposed to fictional applications is the main reason I don't use KRS.

Dave

That's pretty rich coming from the apparent uploader and creator of "3 fictional 07 shunters in Railfreight Grey & Yellow, BR Green, and BR Black" hosted in the downloads library here!

It's beyond me why people think it acceptable to criticise the efforts of those generous enough to upload their work here for the benefit of others.

Andy L

[Wikkus]

I am not a fan of fictional liveries, they will very rarely be used by me if ever but I do know that a lot of people wanting to get involved in re-skinning are starting with fictional liveries as a method of practice, nothing wrong with that in my eyes. To start a thread and turn it into what it is now is probably a tad unfair to the creator of this upload.

Darren, like I said, I'm not trying to stifle creativity and as I hope I conveyed, I have not one iota of the skills needed (and exhibited) by the creator to reskin stuff. At all. Period. What I do think is that there might be a section for fictitious liveries, etc. and that the creator could maybe put his obvious talent to better use. {sigh}

Another trainee RW Content Creator probably put off for life!

Well done lads - keep it up!

That was not the intent, Phil. Welcome to the discussion, btw.

If people wish to create and share ficticious liveries, then so be it. Simply hover your mouse away from that download icon.

...which I also said. I've not downloaded 'cause I've no interest in it. I've got Valenta sounds, VP185 sounds and MTU sounds in different liveried HSTs, just wondering what the point is of having an IC or ICS livery for an MTU-engined model Someone's already said "why not" which is, as I said, a reason...

Meh.

Rik.

[Oldpufferspotter]

Hi all,
Everyone should do their own thing. I use Brendan's hybrid Class 47/ IE Class 201 loco together with his reskinned IE Mk3 coaches as a specially liveried high-speed express, The Intercity Enterprise.
To many people that 47 with the 201 class sides might be a horror, but to me it looks great, just like a souped-up Brush one-off.
regards Ted.

[jp4712]

Let's not get personal and start with tu quoque, please.