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Re: RIGHT THATS IT!!!!

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riccardino wrote:
Basherz wrote:What "T" crash. Never heard or seen this in the 3 years, with RS & RW, I've been plotting DEM??
It happens when I use SRTM1 DEMs and I'm on a tile sitting over 2 dem files (eg. N45E009.hgt and N46E009.hgt)
With SRTM3 data the crash don't show up. So time ago I adopted the workaround to use SRTM1 and switch to SRTM3 in the "hot" places.
Well I have Dem'd at the very least, one third of the UK, I am using srtm1 files, and have never come across this problem, and I'm sure that at some point or other, I must have crossed this situation??
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CaptScarlet wrote:Then as a software engineer you would also know that it is all a matter of priorities and where resources should be best focused ??
I'm well aware of priority mechanism but I cannot know how are assigned to the various bugs.
In any case, even giving to this bug the lowest priority, even having only 1 guy working on the code, 2 year seem too much to fix it.
So a low priority item can end up staying there, if they're overtaken by other higher priority cases, and we've had enough of those!!
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Hi
i fully agree its a matter of prioritys,which must be to fix the core program first,this should have been done before Railworks was released, it was pretty unforgivable to release it with the same errors that RS suffered from,its two years since RS was released if RS.com were capable of fixing the errors inhouse i feel it would have happened by now.
So drastic action is called for! hire in someone who can,or engage in disscusion with the community,there are a lot of very clever people on these forums,so why not use them? RS.com has recruted model makers who are members of this community, so why not programmers,with years of sorting trainsimming errors under there belts.
i,m sorry to say i dont think that fixes to the core program are the highest priority with RS.COM.
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Re: RIGHT THATS IT!!!!

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It's been said before that as a company RS.com's priority is to make money. Selling add-ons is what makes the money. Now hopefully the money that they're making is going into fixing things. The last patch was a positive step in the right direction (in some ways). My main interest lies with route building, but I have bought the 8F, and I will probably buy the upcoming Hall in the hope that my support goes a little way to help fund the fixes. However, I do feel that the fixes should be the same priority as the add-ons at least.
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Neptune50006 wrote: However, I do feel that the fixes should be the same priority as the add-ons at least.
I think there is a grey area in this as well where a new add on may well bring with it fixes/improvements for the rest of the game at the same time. So it may not be all black and white.

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Re: RIGHT THATS IT!!!!

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Hello,

I can totally understand Tony’s frustrations. Making a scenario is one of the first things you want to do when creating some content for your own or others enjoyment.

Scenarios are also what new users of RW will download first, so problems with them will make a bad user experience and cause people to “write off” using RW as being “too hard” to make it work. Therefore, no extra money going to RS.Com for DLC.

That said, it would seem that some users are experiencing more errors than others. The possible combinations of hardware and software that could be affecting RW are monumental.

In maintaining a PC there are at least three things to keep up to date:
Motherboard BIOS’s. Your PC motherboard uses a BIOS, this is the software used to communicate with the hardware, such as RAM and Disks.

Devices such as DVD drives and graphics cards also have BIOS’s. Bug fixes and better performance or more features. Hell, even my mouse has a BIOS.

Windows updates. Apply them! You occasionally get an idiot on forums advising you to not download the latest service pack or patch because it stopped something working on THEIR system. Ignore them.

Software that sits in the background. This could be anything. Laptop users are more likely to suffer from this, but any PC with Windows installed by the maker is likely to suffer from software added to the basic Windows install. If you don’t need it get rid of it.

Windows (especially Vista) installs stuff that most people won’t need, http://www.blackviper.com/ has some useful info on what you can get rid of. A warning here, if you’re not sure, don’t do it.

If RW is still acting up, then email them. Try and tell them what you were doing and include a DXDiag dump and a System Info Dump…

DXDiag: Windows Key + R. Type DXDiag. Wait for the progress bar to finish. Press “Save All Information” and save the file. Remember where you saved it as you will need to include it in your email.

System Info: In XP. Start button, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, System Information. When loaded, use File menu, Export to save a text file. Remember where you saved it.

Email RS tech support, describe your problem and attach the DXDiag and System Information text files.

I’m not going to guarantee you that everything will be fine if you do the above. Patching the BIOS of devices can go badly wrong and leave you with non-functioning hardware, depending on how well the BIOS patch was written. I’d advise anyone who does not know what they are doing to go to a professional and pay for them to do it (make sure that they will replace any hardware they screw up first.)

I’m prattling on again, sorry. I hope that my post helps.

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Re: RIGHT THATS IT!!!!

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I have to say that being a fairly cautious person I do not add unnecessary programs to my computers. I do let Windows auto update and I occasionally run Ausligics free disc defrag program but other than that I leave things alone. (My cautious approach is one reason why I am not happy having the Steam client running RailWorks on my machines).

I do not seem to have to do much 'maintenance' on my computers, I count four PC's and the three RISCOS computers, the latter being virtually maintenance free. I have some problems of course but I am quite mystified when people say that they have installed Windows several times, for example. Why is this necessary?

There is more to this than meets the eye but I generally go along with the saying that if it ain't broke, then don't fix it.
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Still I don´t understand why documented errors not are being recognised at the WIki site. This service woyld be very usefull for the users. I´m trying to build routes the best I can, but I´m getting frustated when I knows that the route only will function 85% because af a bug in the signalscript file, and nothing happens after severel documented error reportings.

PS sorry for my English.
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Acorncomputer wrote:I have to say that being a fairly cautious person I do not add unnecessary programs to my computers. I do let Windows auto update and I occasionally run Ausligics free disc defrag program but other than that I leave things alone. (My cautious approach is one reason why I am not happy having the Steam client running RailWorks on my machines).
The thing is, even if you adopt this approach, even the Windows updates occasionally 'break' stuff, occasionally seriously. Only recently, there was a 'critical update' (at least on XP 64) that wouldn't remove itself from the schedule after patching and I still can't get SP3 for 32 bit XP to work on one of the laptops...
I do not seem to have to do much 'maintenance' on my computers, I count four PC's and the three RISCOS computers, the latter being virtually maintenance free.
(Curious about the RISCOS machines, now... Archimedes?) The PC I have running the CCTV system (XP 64) and the boy's laptop (Vista Home Premium) are pretty much maintenance free although I recently had to manually upgrade the video drivers on the latter due to an automatic software update causing an incompatibility issue. In fact, on the former, I've never had a problem with it in 3 years of near continuous service. I only power it down now to periodically clean the dust from the filters 8)

My wife's machine and my own machine are both heavily used and are in a pretty much constant state of maintenance. However, this is partly because this is one aspect of our line of work (IT) and partly because my PC is the 1932 Ford hotrod I never owned (it's cost me nearly as damned much!), i.e. it's a toy, a plaything, something that I'm never quite happy with :) Hers is kind of the same, but she generally sees something I've done or have and says "Ooh! Can I get one of those for mine?!" or similar :D
I have some problems of course but I am quite mystified when people say that they have installed Windows several times, for example. Why is this necessary?
Yeah, but as I've alluded to elsewhere, there's really no such thing as a 'standard PC' any more. Heck, go buy a Dell laptop tomorrow and then another one of the same specification in 6 months time (if you can...) and you'll find that components have changed.

Digressing a bit, way back when, in 1980-something, when 'PC' was synonymous with IBM, the story was very different, however, when the restrictions were lifted and every Tom, Dick and Harry started punting them out...uh-oh... For many years after, if you wanted a 'quality' IBM-compatible PC, there was only one name to look at; Compaq. They went tits-up with their acquisition by HP (shortly after Compaq completely lost the plot and swallowed DEC...). These days, there are only really 3 major 'independents' making desktop PCs: HP, IBM (now Lenovo...) and Dell. Dell are the only 'original' company left. What you've also got are thousands upon thousands of companies in support, too, including some biggies in their own right, companies like Acer who manufacture a good number of whole machines for some people as well as marketing their own branded devices...

About the only mainstream machines on the market in the 'personal computing' niche that are (were?) pretty much maintenance-free were (and this sticks in my craw a little*)... Apple, specifically the Macintosh and all the variants it evolved into. The common thing there was the chipset and the Operating System. Be interesting to see what happens now they've 'gone Intel' and Snow Leopard is out...

You can't even say it's a 'Windows computer' either -- which flavour of Windows? I forget now, but there are something like, what, 7 different SKUs for Vista?!

Anyhow, back on-topic, with this massive level of diversity coupled with the equally (if not more) massive quantity of software products out there, it's no small wonder that some people have problems whilst others do not. In my world, the current challenge for many of our customers is whether (or not) to move to Windows 7. There are, amongst them, people still using Windows 95, for the love of chickens! :crazyeyes:

Why haven't they upgraded? Well partly, in a good many cases, it's because their estate is so massive that it has also to be uniform. Otherwise, the software on which their business relies won't work, or worse, it will work differently. When you're dealing with tens of thousands of machines across the globe, you want to be sure that the vendor from whom you're buying is not suddenly, mid-production, going to switch from, say, Intel to AMD processors.

I am not a programmer -- haven't done anything since 1986 on a BBC Model B :D -- but I know a few ( and not the web-monkey variety, either ;p) and they all tell me that coding for gaming is a minefield because even though there are standard Application Programming Interfaces (APIs) and conventions and stuff, the actual 'standards' occasionally aren't standard at all and are in some cases vague and open to interpretation (deliberately, possibly...?). The reason for the angst? In short, it's PCs and for all the various reasons above -- sure, they're all generally the same, but the key word is 'generally'.
There is more to this than meets the eye but I generally go along with the saying that if it ain't broke, then don't fix it.
I agree with the sentiment, Geoff, but it ain't always that simple... :roll:

Rgds, Rik.

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**not deliberately, that would just be weird*** but because of the one-piece design.
***but if that's what floats your boat...
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Re: RIGHT THATS IT!!!!

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Hi Rik

Thanks for that interesting review of the current situation. It does seem that RS.com are having a bit of a job to deal with so many possible variations of operating systems and hardware.

I use RISCOS 5 which is the latest version of this operating system which started out in the Archimedes, a genuine WIMP interface available (also Apple) several years before Microsoft got around to it. It was only until very recently that new desktop computers using RISCOS ceased commercial production. This operating system was designed for use with ARM (Acorn Risc Machine) processors and as about 90% of the mobile phones in the World now use an ARM processor, just about everyone uses a version of RISCOS every day. ARM processors can be found in many servers and I believe some new Lenovo computers use a variant of the ARM processor. Fast operation and low power consumption are the key factors here.

One reason for a maintenance free use is that the operating system is held in a flash ROM. It cannot (easily) be corrupted but can be updated. Programs are small and efficient and soldier on year after year without problems. RaiWorks will not run on RISCOS but could be adapted (at some cost :( ).

My new computer will have dual booted XP (for security :) ) and Windows 7 (for adventure 8) ). It will be interesting to see how RailWorks runs on each.
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