What do you want?

[jalmar]

some Swiss or Austrian stuff would be nice

[jalmar]

Hi
if its french german or austrian routes your after then build them yourself,because you will wait a long time for them to be made by a commercial company etc.

German Railroads and Protrain made at least 30-40 routes, so what should be the problem for them, having far better tools now in RW ?

[miglietto]

I think this thread should be splitted in two or maybe in three
- Addons
- Features
- Fixes

Ciao !

[Bullet399]

I think this thread should be splitted in two or maybe in three
- Addons
- Features
- Fixes

Ciao !

...and
- the World
- the rest (UK)

[growler37]

Hi
if its french german or austrian routes your after then build them yourself,because you will wait a long time for them to be made by a commercial company etc.

German Railroads and Protrain made at least 30-40 routes, so what should be the problem for them, having far better tools now in RW ?

Hi
I think your refering to MSTS, if so, then RW is totally diferent,i dont know if you have ever tried route creation,but comparing MSTS route building to RW is like chalk and cheese,totaly diferent concepts,however i do agree the route building tools in RS/RW is a breeze, however simplicity of use, does not mean you can create routes faster,unless you are content with very basic scenery,as we are talking commercial routes here,imagine the outcry if a commercial company produced a route with very sparse scenery then charged £30+ for it the forums would be full of complaints.
With RS/RW being around some 16 months now,if a commercial company wanted, and felt it could make a profit producing a detailed long distance route,i feel there would be some appearing by now.
IMHO the major source of routes for RW is going to be the freeware route(pardon the pun)the commercial companys will churn out the headline grabbing(and most profitable) locos and rolling stock,and who can blame them.
In conclusion there is no point moaning about to much UK content for RW, if no one is prepared to bite the bullet and start producing routes and assets for other countries,to say there is no content for other countries is not true! surf the net and look for the USA, French,German,and other countries RS/RW web sites, there is some fantastic stuff being produced out there just go look for it!
I said before if you want a particular or favourite route,then why not have a go yourself,using Dem,its amazing how accurate and easy route building in RW can be.
With Regards
Kevin

[Mackan]

well id like to see them making it possible to move around freely in the cab, and making it possible to open windows and dorrs etc on the built in stock, i might be boring but i think that it would add some realism.

[davidhossack]

I have been thinking long and hard about what would be good to have. Since I am a modern traction fan I would like a class 92 (as an alteration of the 60), a class 67 and a Mk3 DVT(although we would need it to go with either a 87 or 90-which is hopefully coming from OOVEE). I would also like routes like the S&C

[msey0002]

ye a class 67 would be cool

[Wikkus]

well id like to see them making it possible to move around freely in the cab

Got to ask; what more than you can already? I mean, you can already move between the seats...

and making it possible to open windows and dorrs etc on the built in stock, i might be boring but i think that it would add some realism.

Possibly getting further away from what's generally acknowledged as coming under the banner of "simulation" and moving more into the realm of "virtual reality".

Rik.

[Trainguy76]

I would like a tool that puts specific cantinary objects strung out of your choosing, like the "O wire gantry" tool under the track infrasturcture section.
But the catch is to be able to choose which gantry wire object to be laid, ie all 1 track, all double track, all 2 track and so on.

[Mackan]

well id like to see them making it possible to move around freely in the cab

Got to ask; what more than you can already? I mean, you can already move between the seats...

and making it possible to open windows and dorrs etc on the built in stock, i might be boring but i think that it would add some realism.

Possibly getting further away from what's generally acknowledged as coming under the banner of "simulation" and moving more into the realm of "virtual reality".

Rik.

Well, first of all, i thought the whole idea of an simulator was to make it as real as possible according to the real life situation, and ive never been in the cab of an locomotive coupeling wagons without opening the windows and leaning out to have a look at whats going on around the locomotive. So id like to see the possibility to open the window and lean out to have an look, and maybe just walk over to the handbrake in the cab of surten locomotives. becaus it doesnt strike me as beeing to real sitting 1.5 meters away from the handbreak wheal and applying it from the seat, i dont know about the length of your arms but mine arent that long.

The ability to open the windows, lean out, and look at the last wagon as you pull out from, or arrive at an station may in some situations actualy help you, yeah sure the is the shift+2 command but i think it looks rather odd having your head outside of an closed window, if you, just like me, prefer to actualy use the mouse to reglate the controll in the cab, that would add an challange if you wanted to have an look out the window to have an look at the train, as well as it would make the coupeling procedur from the cab a bit easyer since you could controll the brakes from the position where you allso overlook the end of the train and the distance to the next wagon.

[Wikkus]

Well, first of all, i thought the whole idea of an simulator was to make it as real as possible according to the real life situation

I agree, up to a point, however, what you're talking about is not at all unlike what we also see in the realm of flight simulation -- at what point does it become impractical? Full cab mockups with every lever working? Full motion rigs? It can and has been done, so I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment, I'm merely pointing out that there are limitations to what can be done within the framework as it stands. Of course, human beings are resourceful and creative, so just because the sim itself doesn't support it, doesn't mean it cannot be done by the individual or the user community.

If you want an example of the sort of thing to which I refer, check this out or perhaps, slightly more relevant, this.

and ive never been in the cab of an locomotive coupeling wagons without opening the windows and leaning out to have a look at whats going on around the locomotive. So id like to see the possibility to open the window and lean out to have an look, and maybe just walk over to the handbrake in the cab of surten locomotives. becaus it doesnt strike me as beeing to real sitting 1.5 meters away from the handbreak wheal and applying it from the seat, i dont know about the length of your arms but mine arent that long.

My arms are particularly gibbon-like, actually. What's stopping you moving to the other side of the cab using the arrow keys to "apply the handbrake" ?

The ability to open the windows, lean out, and look at the last wagon as you pull out from, or arrive at an station may in some situations actualy help you, yeah sure the is the shift+2 command but i think it looks rather odd having your head outside of an closed window, if you, just like me, prefer to actualy use the mouse to reglate the controll in the cab, that would add an challange if you wanted to have an look out the window to have an look at the train, as well as it would make the coupeling procedur from the cab a bit easyer since you could controll the brakes from the position where you allso overlook the end of the train and the distance to the next wagon.

I sort of get what you're saying and maybe a partial fix would be to have opening windows that automatically drop down when you use "head-out" view. It's within the realms of the possible, just not sure how practical it'd be and how much people would want it. It's the paraphrase: "You can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people, all of the time". Davevb has gone some way to enhancing the realism in terms of actually controlling trains, at least for some of the modern stock, with his "Physics updates" which add stuff like driver vigilance devices and more realistic air braking controls, etc.

But, for the average enthusiast, that's a step too far, they just want to "drive trains". Conversely, there are undoubtedly people for whom this sort of modification doesn't go far enough, for whom they want to have to close circuit-breakers and pump priming handles, etc. to start the beast. Incidentally, I was (secretly*) thrilled to see that Just Trains' Class 60 has a whole raft of new, clickable switches, knobs and levers in the lovely 3D cab. Granted, many of them don't yet do anything, but hey, when the facility for SSC becomes available, the 60 will have a knob to work it.

As I mentioned before, we're at risk of getting into "the VR zone" here; the fully immersive variety, the kind that necessitates stereoscopic headsets, data gloves and all the other similarly expensive gubbins that go with it. Maybe you're more of a visionary than I, but I can't see how you'd be able to have a hand on the regulator/power-handle and have your head out the window at the same time without going down this route, where you're actually in the virtual cab and your view changes as you turn your head, it's your virtual hand that reaches out to grasp the virtual power handle, etc.

Currently, my imagination (and a re-jigged in-game camera view) fills the gap in this respect; I use the SHIFT+2 view from either side, with my mouse hand controlling where I'm looking and my left hand moving between the power and brake keys. We can already switch ends on suitably equipped locomotives, so that's what I do.

I dunno, maybe a Raildriver type unit would make it more realistic still, but there'd still be people who would grumble that it's not enough and for whom the only solution would be to build a 12-inch-to-the-foot-scale Black 5 cab in their shed, complete with boiling-water-in-the-face-generator, singed-eyebrow-module and a real fire to have the ability to cook their bacon and eggs on their shovel...

Rgds, Rik.

*Ok, not a secret any more...