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HŽ serija 6111 - Is this normal?

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:10 am
by styckx
So I downloaded the HŽ serija 6111 I saw at the RW blog.

and.. Is this kind of acceleration normal for this thing? This seem goes from 0 to ludacrius speed in what seems to be a unrealistic short time. (119km/h). I honestly don't know if this is normal, just from perception this seems physically impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ap8Bn7qEs4

Re: HŽ serija 6111 - Is this normal?

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:19 pm
by Basherz
Well that video doesn't really tell us the accelleration, but "electrics" will certainly accellerate faster than diesels, as they aren't carrying 6+ tons of fuel are they! Also, the traction will be much lighter than a darned great deisel engine, which is the advantage of Electrics over deisel.

Re: HŽ serija 6111 - Is this normal?

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:06 pm
by smarty2
No you are right it is ludicrous because Ai do not have the same physics as a player train! Only way to slow it down is to change the percentage in the stop at or pick up passenger instruction in the scenario editor! But that isn't very good because if you set it at say 40% it keeps that percentage all the way to the next instruction!
Edit: if that is a player train then the physics are definitely out!

Re: HŽ serija 6111 - Is this normal?

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:23 pm
by bab7000
The sound is from a BR101, and it moves fast. If the rest of the scripts is from BR101 too, then ......

Bab

Re: HŽ serija 6111 - Is this normal?

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:34 pm
by vlado960
Hi guys,
it's my very first model for RS/RW and there are too many errors (it's still in early beta). That's converted from MSTS and some things can't be solved. Seems to me, that I will make a completely new model. Considering that in the meantime I have gained new experiences, it will be better, I hope.

Regards
Vlado

EDIT: In The Blueprint editor I entered correct technical data for EMU (Max speed, mass, power etc.) In regards of fast start, that EMU has really a quick start (in real world).

Re: HŽ serija 6111 - Is this normal?

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:21 am
by sniper297
Well, that's why we figured asking over here would get more answers. In the US I think the fastest trains we have are on the Northeast Corridor, over here you have them mach 18 bullet trains that leave airplanes behind. So are there some kind of specs on how many seconds from zero to full speed at maximum acceleration? I assume maximum acceleration isn't used in actual service anyway since it would squash all the passengers into a big lump at the back of each car, but there must be some kind of data on these things somewhere.

Re: HŽ serija 6111 - Is this normal?

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:46 am
by Wikkus
sniper297 wrote:Well, that's why we figured asking over here would get more answers. In the US I think the fastest trains we have are on the Northeast Corridor, over here you have them mach 18 bullet trains that leave airplanes behind. So are there some kind of specs on how many seconds from zero to full speed at maximum acceleration? I assume maximum acceleration isn't used in actual service anyway since it would squash all the passengers into a big lump at the back of each car, but there must be some kind of data on these things somewhere.
Hi Sniper. Haven't driven this particular model yet so no direct experience with it.

Whilst we wait with breath bated for some , consider that even way back in the 1930s, we had electric multiple unit trains (EMUs) on the Southern in the UK which had what amounts to ~2000hp spread across what, 6 coaches? Whilst I don't have any performance data for those old units, they were very brisk by comparison to their contemporaries.

I also found this pdf file on Polish traction equipment manufacturer Medcom's website. Within it (page 6), they list a traction set-up for modern EMUs with the following specs:
Parameters of the vehicle
with a 4×500-3000 drive
Supply voltage 3000 VDC +25% -30%
Rated power 4×500 kW
Number of motors per inverter 1
Maximum torque
referred to the motor shaft 3700 Nm
Acceleration of the EMU at the start 1.2 m/s2
Maximum vehicle speed 160 km/h (44.4 m/s)

That strikes me as pretty darned quick...

Look forward to seeing what else people can reveal.

Cheers, Rik.