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NEC was alot better made than DP thats for sure. But it was still not upto the standard of the UK routes and alot of people could not complete runs on it due to it causeing a SBHH crash all the time. But as we know DP is being updated so it could become the route RSC invisioned but it should of been right on release not have to be fixed months later. Anyway I can't see RSC letting another route out that was the standard of DP as I'm sure they have learnt their leasson.

NEC was pretty well received I thought?

I have it a think it's a good route!

Must admit I find the Cajon Pass a little boring but I do like the idea of more USA urban type routes.

Pete

Good morning,
Is it for these route......eventually?
http://www.allaboardrails.com/news.htm
Have a good day
Jean-pierre

jivebunny wrote:Interesting to see that the shoe collects the current from underneath the third rail rather than from the top in the conventional way. Wonder why that is? Must increase the cost per mile of the third rail quite a bit with all those brackets suspending it in mid-air!

That's former New York Central territory, probably on Metro North's Hudson Division. The NYC adopted an underrunning third rail when they began their electrification in 1904. They saw a number of advantages to the approach, chiefly in that it was less vulnerable to icing. In addition, it was safer for track crews in that the top of the third rail was sheathed in pressure treated wood. As I understand it, the material costs of both systems were quite similar, as was the number of brackets for any given distance. What limited the acceptance of the underrunning system was the patent royalties required to use it in the first place. As far as I know, Metro North is the only railroad still using this system, and they have not found it economical to convert their railroad to the system used by the rest of the MTA's rail operations.

Well, if it is for the area around NYC then we have the Acela, AEM and P42D Genesis locomotives available already, plus I hear there's a FP40H on the RSC drawing board and a GE 44 tonner switcher, which I hazard a guess our resident shunter expert Derek is overseeing the production of. So, I think it's a fair idea and location, I deleted all the sound domes in my NEC and it runs a lot better these days, not quite managed a complete journey over the 90 miles, or, so, but, I personally think it's a better build than the DP was, all hail to more American routes, it's what we got our rolling stock for in the first place, I can't really play with it on Paddington - Oxford......

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

TransportSteve wrote:Well, if it is for the area around NYC then we have the Acela, AEM and P42D Genesis locomotives available

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Don't be surprised if RSC offer the route with upgraded trains located in the routes folder, seems to be the norm with them now, & the upgrades don't get applied to the dlc packs, seems to be the thing to do to boost sales

Ken

TransportSteve wrote: < snip >I can't really play with it on Paddington - Oxford......

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Oh I dunno Steve, I've run a Dash9 into Waverley from Glasgow.

C.

spikesden wrote:

TransportSteve wrote:Well, if it is for the area around NYC then we have the Acela, AEM and P42D Genesis locomotives available

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Don't be surprised if RSC offer the route with upgraded trains located in the routes folder, seems to be the norm with them now, & the upgrades don't get applied to the dlc packs, seems to be the thing to do to boost sales

Ken

All of these locos/trainsets are already to TS2012 specs tho

spikesden wrote:

TransportSteve wrote:Well, if it is for the area around NYC then we have the Acela, AEM and P42D Genesis locomotives available

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Don't be surprised if RSC offer the route with upgraded trains located in the routes folder, seems to be the norm with them now, & the upgrades don't get applied to the dlc packs, seems to be the thing to do to boost sales

Ken

Actually I think the idea is to include a selection of suitable rolling stock with the route and consolidate the number of different packs required.

I can always hope we'll be getting an interurban route with some nice electric cars...

AN

alexnick wrote:I can always hope we'll be getting an interurban route with some nice electric cars...

AN

London and Port Stanley maybe? not America granted but it's close enough and one can hope for something that good

transadelaide wrote:Most other remaining third rail users everywhere else around the world would generally look at the British use of top running third/fourth rail and wonder why the British are still using a method so ridiculously unsafe and subject to weather.

I'd be interested to know who "most other" refers to, since the vast majority of the world's third rail systems are top-running. That includes Boston and Chicago as well as other third-world locations such as as London, Paris and Berlin. Surely it's only "ridiculously unsafe" to people who are trespassing on the railway or drunk out of their minds on the platform? If you're supposed to be walking on the infrastructure then in theory you're aware that you shouldn't step on the third rail.

As to reliability I can't really see how the additional cost of protected side- or bottom-contact systems is justified. Unless you're in a place where the rain falls absolutely vertically and doesn't splash when it hits the ground and the snow doesn't get deep enough to reach the rail then it's still going to ice up when the temperature drops below freezing.

JB

Although probably a complete pipe dream, my dream route for RW out of Manhattan would be the Harlem Line

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuUz6qUudKU

(a time lapse from Grand Central to Southeast)

Given the AEM and Acela stock already at hand though, it would be logical to assume another slice of the NEC might be in the works. Personally, and perhaps I'm just missing out, I'm not that thrilled by the heavy freight routes set in the west[ern US]. However, if there's another part of the NEC coming out that includes the NY area, it's going to be a pretty ambitious undertaking to get it "right" in my opinion. My pet peeve with the NYC-Philly route was the lack of Manhattan's skyline once you popped out of the tunnels in Secaucus, NJ. If there were going to be in theory a NYC-BOS route, there's no way you could ignore that since the view is one of the hallmarks of Amtrak going through Queens & over the Hell Gate bridge... this would also mean including the vast Sunnyside yard complex. Might be "too much."


Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23934726@N03/2277280225

More realistically there could be a Boston-New Haven route or perhaps take it as far as Boston-Stamford, CT. I believe most (if not all) of the stretches that the Acela can actually reach it top operational speeds are between Boston and New Haven as well. That'd be pretty sweet!

Unless the hints RSC are dropping on Facebook are designed to throw everyone off-track, I think it's pretty definite that it won't be anywhere near the NEC

Probably showing my own ignorance here, but a couple at least do suggest Boston (one picture was of some beans and this mornings clover and Guinness)