AWS warnings when in external view.

[Springer6]

I notice that the Just Trains Class 67 boasts " Switchable externally audible alarms. Never miss an AWS caution or DSD reminder when driving from the external view; these sounds can be heard from outside the cab, and this feature can be disabled from the cab" .

I don't have this loco yet, but this feature sounds like something that I have wanted for a long time. Yes I know that you can watch for the AWS button to light up and take special caution when approaching a signal or a speed reduction, but many routes will sometimes catch you out, if like me you prefer to drive mostly from external view.

The only other loco( as far as I know) which will allow you to hear the AWS when in external view is the RSDL Class 66 and I think that this is because the external and internal sounds are the same?

Does anyone know how Just Trains have done this ? Would it be possible to apply it to existing RW locos ( even if it were not switchable ) ?

I know some people would not want to hear the AWS when in external camera, but it would be great if we could choose whether to have this feature or not.

It would be a good update for RW to apply to all their locos.

[PaulH2]

Yes, it can be done. Have a look at this thread: http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 4&t=119995 and a couple of others, though its a bit fiddly.

I am working on a tool that, amongst other things, will automate this for any (hopefully) stock, though it will be several months before it is available...

[rivimey]

Yes, it can be done. Have a look at this thread: http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 4&t=119995 and a couple of others, though its a bit fiddly.

I am working on a tool that, amongst other things, will automate this for any (hopefully) stock, though it will be several months before it is available...

Horray! Well done!

Ruth

[Springer6]

Yes, it can be done. Have a look at this thread: http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 4&t=119995 and a couple of others, though its a bit fiddly.

I am working on a tool that, amongst other things, will automate this for any (hopefully) stock, though it will be several months before it is available...

That would be really great. It would be a fantastic useful addition to Railworks. I wonder why RW have not done this themselves ?

Good luck with it !

[transadelaide]

I wonder why RW have not done this themselves ?

Maybe because this is a simulation game and real trains don't have horns blaring out and creating noise pollution whenever they are alerting the driver to a restriction?

[andynwt]

I wonder why RW have not done this themselves ?

Maybe because this is a simulation game and real trains don't have horns blaring out and creating noise pollution whenever they are alerting the driver to a restriction?

Would be nice if it was optional though. Plenty of other unrealistic things are optional in the game.

[PaulH2]

I wonder why RW have not done this themselves ?

Maybe because this is a simulation game and real trains don't have horns blaring out and creating noise pollution whenever they are alerting the driver to a restriction?

Neither do real drivers have the ability to sit in a passenger view, or fly along in a helicopter. I'm pretty sure if they stick their head out of the window they can still hear the warnings though unlike in RW.

The simple answer is, some people would like the capability (and I'd argue for AWS fitted steamers, its essential if you drive with the HUDs off). RSC don't seem to want to give is switches to let us decided for ourselves whether we would like to hear the warning in all views, so this tool will do just that, let you decide for yourself. If you don't want to hear them, leave things alone, if you do, super, now you can...

[Inthernet]

The simple answer is, some people would like the capability (and I'd argue for AWS fitted steamers, its essential if you drive with the HUDs off). RSC don't seem to want to give is switches to let us decided for ourselves whether we would like to hear the warning in all views, so this tool will do just that, let you decide for yourself. If you don't want to hear them, leave things alone, if you do, super, now you can...

Kudos to the JT Class 153 Advanced for giving us exactly that option! You can choose to drive with or without the external alarm. MSFS had the option of disabling plane crashes and even MSTS had the option of disabling derailments due to overspeed.

[lemberg]

When you pass the test magnet under the reciever at the front of the locomotive you can hear the bell and the horn.

Keith

[Springer6]

I wonder why RW have not done this themselves ?

Maybe because this is a simulation game and real trains don't have horns blaring out and creating noise pollution whenever they are alerting the driver to a restriction?

I'm sorry, but this is not a real train ( i.e. locomotive/multiple unit ) . It is exactly what it says in the title, a simulation !

As others have said real locos don't have the option of helicopter view etc, neither do most have a HUD.

If you want to drive only from cab view, pretend you are driving a real loco and look at only the cab instruments that's fine, but don't kid yourself that this is like driving a real loco where you can look around , out of the corner of your eye, smell and feel the engine and put your head out of the window in a steamer and still hear the AWS.

The JT advanced range seem to have given users the choice . Switch the AWS on in outside view, or if you wish, leave it off . What is wrong with that ?

Why can't RSC give us that same choice? A lot of users would like it.

After all RSDL give us the "unrealistic" situation of hearing the AWS in outside view with the Class 66 and I havn't heard anyone complaining about that.

[SquidvT]

I couldnt agree more, there needs to be an option to have AWS audible in the heads out or external view, or to disable it all together.

Loads of times ive had a perfectly enjoyable run grind to a halt because I forgot to hit the Q key because i used the head out of cab view. Its really annoying.

[smartie38]

During one of the game updates along time ago they added a large traingle warning with a exclamation mark that would pop up on screen when the aws warning went off, no matter what view you were in, which I thought was great as I quite often like to use one of the other views, I don't wish to be sat in the cab view 100% of the time time, but then a future update removed this added large visual warning and now all you get is that tiny warning on the f4 hud, which I've missed on numerous occasions casuing the emergency brakes to kick in, very annoying!

[Springer6]

If you look around this and other forums , a great number of users would really like the option of AWS warning sounds in external view.

Some, for various reasons would not want this, but if it were selectable surely everyone would be happy.

You can learn to anticipate AWS in external view by looking at signals and possible reductions in speed limit, but many routes have some unpredictable "bear trap" AWS trigger points.

However Just Trains Advanced series ( Class 67 and 158 ) have the option to select or deselect this feature from a switch inside the cab.

Apparently proxyxml files etc can be modified for certain locos ( until overwritten by an update), but I have yet to find detailed instructions from anyone who has actually made this work.

The small yellow and black AWS button on the HUD is really an inadequate warning without sound. You can improve this by repainting the HUD texture files to give a bright red AWS warning button, but without sound it can still be missed . The important thing is that the system itself seems to select an alternate texture for the AWS location whenever an AWS warning is received.. Both AWS button textures sit in the HUD texture file.

There is a script file around that detects the AWS button change of texture on the HUD ( presumably by detecting a change of screen colour or brightness at the button location) and triggers a sound file. This only works for specific screen resolutions and then not for all users including me.

However these two latter mods made me wonder whether the simulation itself could be modified to not only change the texture at the AWS button location on the HUD, but also to trigger a sound at the same time ? This would have the advantage of working for all locos.

I don't know whether this reasoning is sound or whether and how it could be done, but I wonder if the experts out there would comment ?

This still would not work in F5 display ( almost essential for steamers ), but only a few steamers notably Tornado have AWS.

The real answer would be for Railworks to alter the system to allow this feature to be selectable ( and no using simple controls is not really an option for this ).

Just trains have done it to some locos, so come on Railworks it can't be that hard !

[msey0002]

I wonder why RW have not done this themselves ?

Maybe because this is a simulation game and real trains don't have horns blaring out and creating noise pollution whenever they are alerting the driver to a restriction?

There are many developers who do their best to develop Railworks DLC with a mind for 'simulation'. But RSC is not one of them, sadly.

[msey0002]

During one of the game updates along time ago they added a large traingle warning with a exclamation mark that would pop up on screen when the aws warning went off, no matter what view you were in, which I thought was great as I quite often like to use one of the other views, I don't wish to be sat in the cab view 100% of the time time, but then a future update removed this added large visual warning and now all you get is that tiny warning on the f4 hud, which I've missed on numerous occasions casuing the emergency brakes to kick in, very annoying!

While I am a 100% in-cab 'driver', I agree, this was a great idea that should have stayed