RSC DLC - Greater Variety Of Routes Needed

[Retro]

It would appear that most people now want authentic Routes. No Route can be truly authentic if it uses default Items of Scenery unless that default item fits exactly or almost resembles the building or whatever in real life. All that is possible is a flavour of a Route IMHO. Geoff comes very near to this with his Routes which need a great deal of skills to produce.
Some people seem to want Networks. To build an authentic Network would take years even for RSC and all buildings would have to be excellent and look the part.
The only Route I have come across where I could actually see real buildings and the house where a friend lived that was completely recognisable was the MSTS version of the ELR.
So the question is after going through this Topic is what do people really want and is it possible to achieve that with TS-2012
Who will eventually produce a universally liked Route that the vast majority of people want
Will it be Payware or Freeware that produces this sought after work
I am more confused by reading this Topic.
Can we draw any realistic conclusions from what has been said
Kind regards James.

[growler37]

Hi
Picking up on a steam era route by RSC, this would be a real challenge for them because almost all RSC steam era assets are based on a sort of S&D style,so to produce an authentic say GWR route would require producing hundreds of assets,as a GWR branchline RSC,s Falmouth was pretty poor,default buildings were the order of the day,and worst of all, the signaling,it took a freeware creator to bring it up to standard,if youre asking people to pay for your product,then you should not corner cut,Falmouth had 2 custom built stations,Truro+Falmouth very nicely modelled along with 2 signal boxes,the perranwell and Truro,almost everything else was default the awful water cranes at Truro look like something from Dr Who with the wealth of material out there on the falmouth branch a bit more care and research would have produced something special,to produce an authentic looking, and most of all authentic feeling route is difficult but look at Creative rails China clay for export it has both so it can be done.
Settle Carlisle is a brilliant route Woodhead was ok,if a little dreary,so RSC can produce the goods,so come on guys build us the Great Western mainline from Penzance to Plymouth in the 1950,s to prove youre not only good at the frozen north
With Kindest Regards
Kev(sitting in the Cornish sunshine)

[FoggyMorning]

I personally think that Falmouth proves that you do not need hundreds of custom assets to create an authentic looking & feeling route, although there are some very nice additional buildings modelled in that route. Some proper GWR lower quadrant signals would have been nice though

[msey0002]

I personally think that Falmouth proves that you do not need hundreds of custom assets to create an authentic looking & feeling route, although there are some very nice additional buildings modelled in that route. Some proper GWR lower quadrant signals would have been nice though

Indeed, ditto with several freeware routes too. Rusford Line, Cresston, Crouch Valley (Shenfield - Southend), Wales and Borders etc etc. Some are not even prototypical, but they still look and feel real

[pacerfan]

I personally think that Falmouth proves that you do not need hundreds of custom assets to create an authentic looking & feeling route, although there are some very nice additional buildings modelled in that route. Some proper GWR lower quadrant signals would have been nice though

There's nothing stopping RSC replacing the signals come the ts2012 update with more appropiate lower-quadrants ones now as there are quite a few dotted about the freight lines on woodhead and it show's that they can create them after all.

[pjt1974]

I do like the Falmouth Route, I made a few scenario's for it, however, only 3 made it to upload.
I remember someone was doing a modern version for it but I supposed that vapourised.

If I was to vote for a next project I would like RSC to produce it would be a proper, all singing all dancing mainline based in the 1930's. Somewhere to stretch the legs with plenty of little, and not so little, yards to get lost in with the tanks.
The excellent Woodhead went a little way to doing this but you still get that crossover feeling, which I suppose was the point of the route.

I personally wouldn't mind if they stripped back one of the default uk routes and took it back in time to the Golden Age. I don't just mean add wooden signals, I mean do a proper job, maybe add a couple of branches. Can you imagine Newcastle - York from the 1930's with the line to Consett included?

[Kariban]

Modern Falmouth is a long siding with a loop, basically - you'd drive it once & want all the track back. Where's the fun in that?

Yes, more steam era needed for sure. Retro the PDL, half the work is done alreadly!

[pjt1974]

Modern Falmouth is a long siding with a loop, basically - you'd drive it once & want all the track back. Where's the fun in that?

That is true.

[SquidvT]

Yes, more steam era needed for sure. Retro the PDL, half the work is done alreadly!

That would be awesome! In fact any of the routes being retrofied would be very useful.

[Darpor]

Can you imagine Newcastle - York from the 1930's with the line to Consett included?

I'd love it, well, maybe not the 30's but certainly the 50's. Not only the Consett line, but even that stretch of the ECML had amny more stations, not to mention all of the lines heading off here there and everwhere.

I've actually cloned the original and made a start on the lines out of Northallerton, with the Melmerby and Leeming Bar lines added, along with the extra platforms at Northallerton etc. The goal would to actually branch out from Melmerby, take the line south to Harrogate and back across to York, as well as going back east to Thirsk Town. One real passion is to do the Northern part as well though, adding Ferryhill Station from my home town along with the Leamside branch.

As many speak of networks, you could make an absolutely enormous network just out of what lies east and west from the default route. Time restraints are affecting what I want to do though, but I would be happy to at least get all track, signalling and speeds down, and also build custom objects and let others help with scenery.

[pjt1974]

Sounds good that Darren. Maybe have a UKTS challenge to do the scenery on the 'waslelands'.
The best of each area, as voted for by the members, makes it into the final upload and gets a prize of premium membership extension or something.

Usual challenge rules, default and freeware packs only, but this time over 2 months as some of the lines maybe more than 24 tile blocks.

[malkymackay]

A properly done Newcastle-York with branches would get my vote I would go with the late 50's, so you could have a mix of Semaphore & Colour Lights on the mainline and still have plenty of potential branches to do. The Leamside line would be a bonus - Ferryhill was a pretty impressive station in it's day and you could link up Washington on the Leamside with South Pelaw, which is the line that crosses overhead just south of Tyne Yard.

BTW, I wouldn't want to be the one to try and lay in Waterworks crossing at York or the Goods to Carlisle lines at Newcastle.

[Darpor]

I'm not so sure about a challenge, I think given the sheer scale of the network, it would take longer than that. I'd certainly be interested in forming a small band of experienced developers though, if they took an interest. It's amazing what can be done when you work together.

I did actually move it from a "fun" to "serious" project at one point though, looking into searchlight signalling etc. And as you can see, even in that period, Northallerton was quite a diverse network.

And I knew Malcolm would be interested.

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[hertsbob]

No Sleep til Spennymoor...

[Darpor]

No Sleep til Spennymoor...

Yes, any NTY branches route doesn't really need anything west of Ferryhill or Darlington, someone has that covered..............