Class 77 Avaliable.

Kariban · Post by **Kariban** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:58 pm

Does anyone have some decent pics of the 76 nameplates? getting the list of names is easy obviously.

bdy26 · Post by **bdy26** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:23 pm

There's some EM2 ones in here:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/nameplates/

They're the same font as the deltic plates - If I can work out the font or get enough letters from photos to make an alphabet I'm more than happy to do the textures for 2D plates.

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ChrisSargeant · Post by **ChrisSargeant** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:47 pm

Thanks for the Class 77 control clarification. Re the Speedo - I just thought it went in 20 mph increments (as opposed to the Class 76's in 10 mph increments), due to its higher performance.

Regarding the Blue liveried Class 77 - I think some people are confusing this colour scheme with the later standardised and slightly darker BR Blue. Apart from the original A.C. Electric Locos Classes 81-86 (and I guess we could include the Glasgow A.C. EMU's), there were only a few other locomotives outshopped in this lighter experimental shade in the early 1960's. I recollect seeing a Brush Type 2 (Class 31) Diesel in the same colour scheme at that time, on the G.E. Lines out of Liverpool Street.

Talking of more useless info - it is rumoured that the early production Class 76's were constructed out of left-over armour plate from WW2. Thus, in the event of a collison, the other loco unsurprisingly would always come off worse!

AndyUK · Post by **AndyUK** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:51 pm

bdy26 wrote:
ChrisSargeant wrote:I've just purchased the Class 77 add-on and wonder where the Traction Mode Lever is for changing from Series to Parallel and back? Is it the lever on the far right on its own? Are there any other obvious differences in driving the Class 77, as opposed to the Class 76?

To be honest, the new manual still leans towards the Class 76 whereas, there are (as in real-life) some differences with the Class 77 controls.

Yep, the series / paralell lever is the one on the right....

In the prototype that's only used to set the motor grouping for regenerative braking. When motoring the motor grouping is set by the position of the accelerating handle, as it's moved towards full power the grouping is changed from all series through 2 parallel groups of three in series to three parallel groups of two motors in series. The three weak field stages were selected by moving the regen handle to one of the weak field positions when the accelerating handle was in specific notches corresponding to the full field setting for each of the three motor groupings. The model may vary!!

Andy L

FoggyMorning · Post by **FoggyMorning** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:54 pm

ChrisSargeant wrote:Thanks for the Class 77 control clarification. Re the Speedo - I just thought it went in 20 mph increments (as opposed to the Class 76's in 10 mph increments), due to its higher performance.

Regarding the Blue liveried Class 77 - I think some people are confusing this colour scheme with the later standardised and slightly darker BR Blue. Apart from the original A.C. Electric Locos Classes 81-86 (and I guess we could include the Glasgow A.C. EMU's), there were only a few other locomotives outshopped in this lighter experimental shade in the early 1960's. I recollect seeing a Brush Type 2 (Class 31) Diesel in the same colour scheme at that time, on the G.E. Lines out of Liverpool Street.

Talking of more useless info - it is rumoured that the early production Class 76's were constructed out of left-over armour plate from WW2. Thus, in the event of a collison, the other loco unsurprisingly would always come off worse!

That could have yielded some interesting results if they had used a 76 for the nuclear flask crash test instead of a Peak!!

Kariban · Post by **Kariban** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:51 pm

Some form of Clarenden Bold, Ben. I'm looking at 3d plates, not going to be too hard.

Click the image to zoom in
- probably needs sharper corners, but the font family is good.

bdy26 · Post by **bdy26** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:36 pm

AndyUK wrote: Yep, the series / paralell lever is the one on the right....

In the prototype that's only used to set the motor grouping for regenerative braking. When motoring the motor grouping is set by the position of the accelerating handle, as it's moved towards full power the grouping is changed from all series through 2 parallel groups of three in series to three parallel groups of two motors in series. The three weak field stages were selected by moving the regen handle to one of the weak field positions when the accelerating handle was in specific notches corresponding to the full field setting for each of the three motor groupings. The model may vary!!

Andy L[/quote]

Thanks Andy, fascinating stuff.

I'd heard the story about the armour plate, it definately affected some of them when they came to fit the MU jumpers. I was at York last weekend and I did give the front of 26020 a gentle tap at each end too see, and it definately wasn't armour plate on that one!

Cheers for the font info Simon. 3D plates will be excellent

B

Traveller54 · Post by **Traveller54** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:04 pm

Guys: Nameplates.

1) I have personally scoured the web and cannot find any images of Class 26/76 nameplates other than a couple on models.

2) Nice to see a volunteer but if you read back in this thread I got the distinct impression that the approriate engines have been done by Mr Derek (of RSC) and will be provided shortly?

Traveller54 · Post by **Traveller54** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:05 pm

Kariban wrote:Some form of Clarenden Bold, Ben. I'm looking at 3d plates, not going to be too hard.

Kariban, you may be wasting your time?

Kariban · Post by **Kariban** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:43 pm

Yes, I can read thanks. I also don't own the 77 and I don't intend to.

crumplezone · Post by **crumplezone** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:34 pm

The incab light seems to make my FPS drop by 10fps when switch on, which leads me to believe its a shadow casting light...why oh why do RSC keep putting shadow casting light effects on locomotives when so many people reported and proved that shadow casting lights cause performance drain, sigh. Rest of it works, but it be nice of the little things which are supposed to give immersion in turn don't rob performance

windberg · Post by **windberg** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:55 pm

The manual says that only E27002 had the electric blue livery. I have a photo from 27004 at Sheffield Victoria in May 1964 which looks like that the loco is painted electric blue without yellow warning panels. Do anyone have more informations about the Class 77 in electric blue livery?

bdy26 · Post by **bdy26** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:03 pm

windberg · Post by **windberg** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:23 am

I am not very happy with the 77. The spedometer shoes the wrong numbers (I hate to drive with the HUD) and the loco jerks and jumps over the track at speed. No smooth riding. The 76 goes much smoother. And in my eyes the buffers are to big for the loco.

It looks like there were electric blue 77s with and without yellow warning panels. Or the yellow warning panel were added later?

paulz6 · Post by **paulz6** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:32 am

Shoot the file moderators. What took them so long?

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