Making a driving trailer?

[MaikG]

Helpful Anyone who's interested in driving trailer operations will have looked at the VR trailers at some point.

Sorry. But if you look deeper at the vR trailers then you see the "magic".

That's fine if you're still using RW2, but in TS2012 this simply means your train has the power of two locomotives. Plus it means the driving trailer can be used with only one specific type of locomotive which isn't much use unless it's part of a fixed-formation train.

That is not right. You have to do so if you want the right values to display in the cab and use it for scripting. But it is not the only thing to do! Pick up a vR Bxf from a S-Bahn addon or the BDnrzf from the Expert-line and try to drive without a loco pushing that train. That will not work! Then look at the simulation file an you can see there are full values for a BR143 in there.

[Kariban]

I've not looked at them anyway this thing is putting up a fight, but the bludgeons are slowly winning. Requires some typically bent thinking/solutions though.

[TElsmore]

Keep fighting the good fight fella's!! I'm routing for you!

Cheers
Terrone.

[chrisell]

Time to revive this topic for a moment.
As in "I still can't get this . thing to work".
I've tried everything but I either end up with double the engine power, or non-working instruments in the cabs and invalid current and ammeter values. I've tried zero power, zero force, valid power and force with zero-values in the tractive effort graphs. Nothing. I'm not convinced there's any "magic" to be had here - I'm not sure it can be done at all

[MaikG]

Time to revive this topic for a moment.
As in "I still can't get this . thing to work".
I've tried everything but I either end up with double the engine power, or non-working instruments in the cabs and invalid current and ammeter values. I've tried zero power, zero force, valid power and force with zero-values in the tractive effort graphs. Nothing. I'm not convinced there's any "magic" to be had here - I'm not sure it can be done at all

@chrisell ... you wrote a private messate to me but i do not have access to the PN system (i don't know why but there will be a reason ) so i can't read it. Maybe the admins can give me access or you will never got an answer .. sorry for that

[chrisell]

Time to revive this topic for a moment.
As in "I still can't get this . thing to work".
I've tried everything but I either end up with double the engine power, or non-working instruments in the cabs and invalid current and ammeter values. I've tried zero power, zero force, valid power and force with zero-values in the tractive effort graphs. Nothing. I'm not convinced there's any "magic" to be had here - I'm not sure it can be done at all

@chrisell ... you wrote a private messate to me but i do not have access to the PN system (i don't know why but there will be a reason ) so i can't read it. Maybe the admins can give me access or you will never got an answer .. sorry for that

No problem

[TElsmore]

Hi chrisell

I recently took part in a Q&A session on RSC's facebook page, and i asked about them sorting out the DVT issue and implementing it into the core, and this is the answer that i recieved:

'We certainly have the technology to do it and we have been playing around with the idea for a while now'.

Now, this miffed me a little bit because surely with us having WCML-N and now SECML, DVT capabillity is a must, especially for WCML-N?? My next question to them was going to be 'if you 'certainly' have the technology, then why have you not implemented it'? I didn't bother!

Anyway, my point is maybe it would be worth dropping RSC an e-mail (if you have'nt already!) and asking them for some help and/or guidance, although from what i can gather from poster's on these forums, e-mailing RSC is like going to the toilet whilst faced with a severe gale! But......you never know!

Cheers
Terrone

[FoggyMorning]

This may be relevant?

RailSimulator.com
30 minutes ago
Coming this week - The BR143 Add-On offers one of the most accurate and involving locomotive driving experiences currently available for Train Simulator 2012. With two liveries, a driveable Steuerwagen and five scenarios for the Cologne-Dusseldorf Expansion Pack, the BR143 is a great add-on for anyone who really wants to DRIVE!

[SHEEP]

I think reading the 1st comment on fb, the drivable trailer may only work as part of a set consist,
could be wrong though

guote:
Maik Goltz
Maybe RSC has forgotten to say that this is the "Expert-Line" version of the BR143 and BDnrzf (drivable trailer) and it's not comparable with other AddOns out there and even not with the standard BR143 (RW Stock or Aerosoft). You will need some experiences to drive this thin properly, safe and without damages. This package includes also a new "simulated" KKW EL tanker wagon so you can "feel" the weight of your train while braking. Also the 5 scenarios are very challenging.

27 minutes ago

[charlie99]

If the only way to make a driving trailer is for it to only work with one particular loco is that really an acceptable solution?

[jivebunny]

If the only way to make a driving trailer is for it to only work with one particular loco is that really an acceptable solution?

I don't think it is really, that makes it a dummy locomotive rather than a DVT.

SHEEP,

The person you've quoted has posted in this thread multiple times and has already stated that the driving trailer from that pack only works as part of a consist with the BR143. The solution VR have used is fine if your DVT only ever runs as part of a set consist with a specific locomotive (such as our Mk4 DVTs with a Class 91) but it's useless for anything else. If RSC have the technology for proper, working DVTs it would be nice of them to share it with us, I'm sure a DBSO or Mk3 DVT pack would be a good little seller!

JB

[rob94]

A complete noob here but could you not give the two vehicles half the power they need so when you put them together it has the correct amount of power for one engine
Im probably talking rubbish but oh well

Thanks Rob

[jivebunny]

A complete noob here but could you not give the two vehicles half the power they need so when you put them together it has the correct amount of power for one engine
Im probably talking rubbish but oh well

That wouldn't work as you'd need to have the DVT in the consist in order to get the correct amount of power. So if you wanted to haul a freight train with your loco you'd have to either stick a DVT on the end or put up with half the power

[MaikG]

If the only way to make a driving trailer is for it to only work with one particular loco is that really an acceptable solution?

Not really, that makes it a dummy locomotive rather than a DVT.

SHEEP,

The person you've quoted has posted in this thread multiple times and has already stated that the driving trailer from that pack only works as part of a consist with the BR143. The solution VR have used is fine if your DVT only ever runs as part of a set consist with a specific locomotive (such as our Mk4 DVTs with a Class 91) but it's useless for anything else. If RSC have the technology for proper, working DVTs it would be nice of them to share it with us, I'm sure a DBSO or Mk3 DVT pack would be a good little seller!

JB

No, the DVT will not only work in this one consist. You can build up an "universal" DVT for all locos. With "my" DVTs, the Bxf and the BDnrzf, you can control any standard loco on Railworks, but with some differences to the original buided consist. The DVTs are scripted with enhanced features and so it has to be in that one consist. I've tested the BDnrzf and Bxf with other locos like the Class67 from JT, the vR BR120, the BR101 and it works "fine".

[Darpor]

That wouldn't work as you'd need to have the DVT in the consist in order to get the correct amount of power. So if you wanted to haul a freight train with your loco you'd have to either stick a DVT on the end or put up with half the power

I'm probably talking rubbish as well.

But as a solution to that, couldn't you just have two versions of the loco? One to work alone and one with the DVT?