Bishop Auckland to Darlington.

[oldgreyowl]

Just curious as to why we need to start pre-ordering payware that MAY only interest a percentage of our community.

Or is this possibly tied up to a happening around Easter?

keith

[gswindale]

Just Trains have done this quite a few times I think. Other devs have done similar in the past.

Doubt it has anything to do with a potential steam sale.

Can't see what the problem is?

Sent by Androids

[pjt1974]

Pre order + discounted price = a bit more interest and maybe sales

[FoggyMorning]

I agree with Geoffrey. Pre-orders are used across a wide range of retail areas and are generally used to drum up interest in a new product and hook customers with a discounted price offer and/or additional content

[pacerfan]

Just Trains have the cheek, £20 for a six mile branchline, for that price I would expect something like the 153 thrown in. Not a repaint of the default 166 in NR
the discount is intresting but It does not make it any less of a rip-off

[FoggyMorning]

Just Trains have the cheek, £20 for a six mile branchline, for that price I would expect something like the 153 thrown in. Not a repaint of the default 166 in NR
the discount is intresting but It does not make it any less of a rip-off

How precisely are you being ripped off, when they are telling you exactly what you will be getting before you decide whether to part with any money?

[Darpor]

Just Trains have the cheek, £20 for a six mile branchline, for that price I would expect something like the 153 thrown in. Not a repaint of the default 166 in NR
the discount is intresting but It does not make it any less of a rip-off

If you are going to throw around insults, get your distances right first.

Or should I just whistle and wave as your bandwagon rolls by? :waves:

[pjt1974]

I for one will be buying at some point. Unfortunately it falls on the wrong time of the month for me to take advantage of the pre order discount, I don't get paid till next week

Me having a payday!!!!! now that's a novelty I can get used to again

[firetrap1]

Isn't this thread just discussing on the same topic as before?

why do we need a second thread? was the other one locked?

chris

*Edit:

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 7&start=60

[msey0002]

Just Trains have the cheek, £20 for a six mile branchline, for that price I would expect something like the 153 thrown in. Not a repaint of the default 166 in NR
the discount is intresting but It does not make it any less of a rip-off

How precisely are you being ripped off, when they are telling you exactly what you will be getting before you decide whether to part with any money?

Precisely, not being ripped off or cheated at all.

Yes it is very expensive, maybe excessively so. If you think so vote with your wallet and don't buy it, that's what I will be doing. But you won't be ripped off

[jevon]

How precisely are you being ripped off, when they are telling you exactly what you will be getting before you decide whether to part with any money?

If you are going to throw around insults, get your distances right first.
Or should I just whistle and wave as your bandwagon rolls by? :waves:

I don't know about the UK, but here in the States someone doesn't have to purchase something first in order to call it a "ripoff." The term is used to express an opinion that, on the face of it, the price of an item far exceeds its value. It's all about perceived value, and you have a perfect right to form an opinion about that without having first bought it.

If you were quoted a price of $100 for a train ticket from London to Heathrow wouldn't your first thought be, "what a ripoff!"?

I assume pacerfan has read the ads, probably even watched JT's promo video for the BA-D route, and he has formed an opinion. He believes the route's length doesn't justify the price. You may not agree, but is it really necessary to jump all over him? Why not just express your own opinion and leave it at that?

Man, sometimes UKTS is such a disagreeable place.

[styckx]

Yeah.. I'm not understanding that price. I'm sure the route is pretty and someone worked hard to make it but... No.. There is not enough return for the investment in these eyes. It's not that I have an issue paying $25 for a short route but there has to be some other incentive. IOW is a great example, it's $30 for 13 miles. With the incentive of a Class 483, a 0-4-0ST w/ First, Third, Brake carriages and also a plank wagon. Then there is also the cool little personal carrier w/ a trailer. This is what? 11 miles or so with default trains, trees, a few unique building and repaintss? I'd forget I owned this within a week and how quickly would it take to start 20 scenarios before everything became redundant?

Best of luck.

[transadelaide]

The problem is that there is a big difference between expressing a reasonable opinion of a product and using a pejorative term like ripoff. It might just be a difference in the way the word is used differently around the world, but in Australia the term ripoff is associated with scams, dishonest businesses and bait-and-switch advertising, none of which could possibly apply to JT unless the end product is deficient in some way.

I'm in the "no thanks, not enough value in it for me" group, but as there are others who see it as being a valuable product (and they don't seem like they are out of their mind or deliberately posting misinformation) I don't think it is reasonable to call it a ripoff.

[Darpor]

I assume pacerfan has read the ads, probably even watched JT's promo video for the BA-D route, and he has formed an opinion. He believes the route's length doesn't justify the price. You may not agree, but is it really necessary to jump all over him? Why not just express your own opinion and leave it at that?

I notice you quoted me as part of that. Maybe he has done all you said, and if he did, then maybe he wouldn't have conveniently halved the route length to try and make his point.

There is nothing wrong with opinion, but be sure you have your facts correct first.

[pacerfan]

By rip-off I meant as jevson correctly intepreted, the route as I see it on Just Trains website is not worth the listed price in my opinion. for the same price one could buy Falmouth or IOW both of which come with not one locomotive but two and additional rolling stock such as new carriages and wagons.