Atomic Systems

All I was asking for was Hatchet Hill Quarry to be fixed

Oh wouldn't life be easier if we all had the same opinion, maybe, but it would be dull also!

Transadelaide you are one of a distinct group of posters on here who like nothing more than to worship developers and leap to their defence at the slightest criticism. You are not going to get anything out of it, you won't get a medal and you won't get any freebies so less of the attitude eh and don't call me petulant again please. These companies are businesses providing addons to a niche market so it's in their interests to keep their products current and up to date or they face losing sales of current stock from people put off by outdated items and they risk losing future sales from people like me who remember who fires and forgets. We are not asking for extensive remodelling just addition of a few new features to be added to stock that is still on sale today at full price. Being Australian this issue is not as significant to you as it is to UK train fans. Vast swathes of UK stock was made under the old rail simulator or Pre-ts2012 version of the game, this means that half of the UK fleet will be below par forever more if your attitude to upgrading prevails. Not good when the core market is British!

jimmyshand, transadelaide - cease and desist, both of you, now please. Both of you are as bad as each other, you have both posted well outside forum boundaries on courtesy and politeness; and any further step out of line will definitely result in further action being considered.

Paul

As a small company who have to work day by day on the next stream of income in order to safeguard their future, I'd rather Oovee take whatever decision in order to maintain this. Rain on windows on a product that was released before the feature was even introduced does not safeguard jobs.

I was afraid of things like this when Railworks 2 became TS2012. Things moved on a stage too far. Small developers are now pressured into updating existing product to meet the new demands of realism. Why should Oovee, or any other developer, update the 156 when in 6 months time RSC update to TS2013 and they get bombarded to update again?

Railworks 2 should've been the final release in the RS/RW line with TS2012 being completely seperate entity. This would've allowed developers, other than RSC, to draw a line under thier RW2 products and look at new product releases to generate income instead of going over old ground keeping up with the sim with thier old products.

RSC had to be congratulated on trying to let us run the Isle of Wight or drive a class 66 in TS2012 and all it's great shadows however a great can of worms was opened for which I'm sure developers didn't really appreciate.

It seems to me that a lot of people are misinterpreting what Oovee are saying with this statement. This would be my synopsis:

1. Existing Railworks addons will be updated if Oovee deem that a worthwhile investment of time and resources
2. New Railworks addons will not be released until after such time as the update program in point 1 has been completed
3. Development of Spintires and Flight Simulator addons currently have a higher priority for the company than Railworks addons

So I don't quite understand the tone of doom and gloom around this thread. Here is a developer who are providing a commitment to upgrade their catalogue ( a commitment that some people seem, wrongly in my opinion, to regard as an obligation) and have outlined a blueprint for what they see as the future direction of their business. They are neither closing down or "abandoning" Railworks.

Hi,

This is a shame, I was looking forward to their GNR add-on.

I bought the 156, which I think is a excellent model before the 2012 update. It does what it is supposed to do and you can't expect modifications overnight everytime RS.Com update the game! Indeed if it never happens I won't be too disappointed!

As a lurker and a very infrequent poster, but someone who would like to be more involved, I have to say these forums have been so negative lately they certainly dissuade me from wanting to be more involved. I am sure I am not the only one!!

It seems that anyone now trying to be positive gets shouted down by those whose hobby it seems to be is to be negative, if the simulator is that bad, why not just un-install it?!!

All this posturing tends to overshadow those who have genuine problems with Railworks!

Peter.

Who even say's TS2013 will have any new features for company's to put in their new product's alone? TS2013 might be a new county as many people have shown a interest in. Maybe that would bring in new things, like neutral sections, but that would be of no problem to a DMU... until the Facebook kids demand a panto to be put on the 150 to use the new OHLE abilities.

Michael, please don't bring the facebook panto kids into this, it can only go downhill.

keith

What were the list of enhancements we were wating for other than rain effects, headlight setc for the 156 and 57?

I know there was a live stream of an unpdated verison of the 57 but i joined half way through the presentation.

thetrainfan wrote:Really, gswindale, maybe paying for a lights fix that even I can do (It's basically copying a few lines of script into a few .bin files!) and changing the material of the windscreens and re-exporting? (Something that could be done within a couple of days).

Well that was completely mis-interpreted wasn't it
As I said, bug fixes which, if my understanding is correct is what a lights fix would be, should be free. New features - such as rain on windscreens should only be free if the developer believes that the effort required is so minimal that it makes no difference.

It all depends on what you class as a bug and a new feature. Bug is something that doesn't work properly. New feature is something that wasn't available before but is now.

I have to agree with FoggyMorning that everybody here seems to be getting a little carried away by reading what they want into Oovee's statement.

This statement has put me in a good mood. It does make basic economic sense to focus on bigger markets like the flight simulation community rather than the smaller train simulation community especially for a smaller company like Oovee but there is the slight problem of hatchet hill with it's underpowered 04 and a few broken scenario's. the problem as others have pointed out is the moving of the goalposts by RSC in regard to technical capability I myself have been lucky in that I can run in TSX mode without putting my settings down to lowest but I do feel for the one's who cannot run even in legacy mode and if a TS2013/14 update where to be released I would prefer It to be a completly separate to TS2012 as a new platform otherwise there will be the problem of incompatibility with previous content and a large amount of people who may not be able to run railworks at all.

michaeldono wrote:Who even say's TS2013 will have any new features for company's to put in their new product's alone?

Who even says there won't be? Pure speculation on my part I admit but relevant to the point I was making that developers are being pressured to make thier products TS2012 compatible and maybe, if new features are added, they will be pressured to make them TS2013 compatible.

gswindale wrote:As I said, bug fixes which, if my understanding is correct is what a lights fix would be, should be free. New features - such as rain on windscreens should only be free if the developer believes that the effort required is so minimal that it makes no difference.

It all depends on what you class as a bug and a new feature. Bug is something that doesn't work properly. New feature is something that wasn't available before but is now.

I have to agree with FoggyMorning that everybody here seems to be getting a little carried away by reading what they want into Oovee's statement.

But the lights on the 57 and the 156 work, That would be an update to 2012 standards, the same as the windscreen,
Hatchet hill's underpowered 04 and broken scenario's would be a bug-fix,
I cant remember now, Maybe someone can else can confirm, but I'm pritty sure that when Hatchet hill was released Oovee said it would be upgraded to 2012 standards.