Will be default routes updated to TS2012 or not?

[Kariban]

Ah! Now that's a different matter. Never mind updating stuff but what about fixing DLC that is broken? I for one just cannot understand why RSC did not immediately patch the buffer problem in WCML-N which is the work of all of ten minutes!! What was the the big deal? FIX IT straight away and have done with it!

There is a QA process to follow ( I assume there is ) - it's very easy for one of us to patch something and throw it up after a quick test run, but I'm assuming there is actually something of a formal test process for RSC.

[gptech]

..............and I think updating payware DLC to comply with modern versions of the game is simply the right thing for the developer to do.

Which is what's happening, admittedly slowly but it has been stated (or as far as I'm aware it has) that older content will be given the TS2012/TSX treatment when RSC decide to do it---for all we know some items of stock may be in line for a full 'makeover', as we've had with the class 47, it would be silly to add new effects to the existing version and then release a whole re-vamped engine, surely?

Release of Woodhead is fast approaching, and after the issues around Donner Pass it's not unreasonable to assume that RSC are concentrating extremely hard to not repeat that with Woodhead. Remember they're still a relatively small team, each with their own skills so the liklihood of just any oif them having a spare hour or two to add rain etc is slim. We also have the beta test program running, another reason why it would seem inopportune to add features until the core issues have been addressed.

I agree that RSC have a responsibility to heed their customers wishes, but it's more of a moral one than a legal one when it comes to adding cosmetic effects to stock. Fixing existing glitches, optimising the core and ensuring upcoming releases are 'spot on' takes precedence.

[loverswalk]

Here are the main points for me:

There are problems with DLC that RW3 caused. These need to be fixed and given priority, I would think. I don't see any fixes to those yet. The SW1500 comes to mind.

Aside from routes, the DLC is for things that don't get outdated and need to be replaced. GP9s are still GP9s. They made some. I doubt they'll make them again. So, I'd like my GP9s to have the features that RW3 offers. I bought ALL my DLC after the release of RW3, since that's when I started on this sim. And I've bought a lot of DLC. I basically paid the same price for the engines that don't have RW3 features as those that do. I like raindrops. I like the other new features. It adds to immersion. If they sell that DLC to me now, it should work with the current version of RW and with all the features of that version.

What really puzzles and frustrates me is that if I were to buy a new, but inferior route, like Donner Pass, I'd get SOME DLC, several US engines I already have in fact, that DO have RW3 features. Raindrops and all. They HAVE updated the older DLC with new features. They just haven't done so to the DLC I paid for recently and separately from that route. I do not appreciate the sales strategy that says if you want new features on old DLC, buy a new thing from us and you'll get at least partial upgrades (on the single skin included in that route).

If they upgrade a loco for some route, I fail to see how there is much additional effort or expense to them to make that update a fix for the separate loco pack most of us have bought already anyway.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly how I stand on the issue, and I think updating payware DLC to comply with modern versions of the game is simply the right thing for the developer to do.

Covers all my points , another example for us UK users is the 86 in the updated WCML (N) has had "raindrops" added to the windscreen as well as the new lights but not the DLC pack that so many off us bought to run up and down the WCML.
LW

[gptech]

It's all good saying they should not update the old DLC.....

Which post says they shouldn't update stuff?
I don't think there's any argument that bringing all assets up to the new standards is what we'd all like, the argument stems from some folk wanting it immediately, and demanding that those enhancements are an absolute right.

[gptech]

.......for us UK users is the 86 in the updated WCML (N) has had "raindrops" added to the windscreen as well as the new lights but not the DLC pack.......

That'll be the good old UK tradition of queueing in action.... as a nation we're world leaders in that.

[USRailFan]

Covers all my points , another example for us UK users is the 86 in the updated WCML (N) has had "raindrops" added to the windscreen as well as the new lights but not the DLC pack that so many off us bought to run up and down the WCML.
LW

Still the Class 86 DLC is marked with the TS2012 'Swoosh' in the Steam store... I wonder what the false advertising laws say about that...

[Darpor]

Still the Class 86 DLC is marked with the TS2012 'Swoosh' in the Steam store... I wonder what the false advertising laws say about that...

What is false about it then? The "Swoosh" isn't associated with rain and lights as far as I know.

If you buy the Class 86 DLC, it is TS2012 compatible because it works, there is nothing false about anything.

[Retro]

Hi,
Using the Class 86 as an example which came with the original WCML and had a missing Notch Problem making the Locomotive useless to me. The Class 86 Pack came out and this problem was fixed but not in the 86 that came with the WCML. It has taken until the new version of the WCML just out to fix that problem.
This does not make any logical sense to me.
We were sold the idea of Steam when Railworks came out as a much better way as Updates could be released quickly unlike Rail Simulator. This has not really happened. I wonder if Steam make a charge for each Update thus making small quick fixes expensive.
Kind regards James.

[loverswalk]

Still the Class 86 DLC is marked with the TS2012 'Swoosh' in the Steam store... I wonder what the false advertising laws say about that...

What is false about it then? The "Swoosh" isn't associated with rain and lights as far as I know.

If you buy the Class 86 DLC, it is TS2012 compatible because it works, there is nothing false about anything.

He has a point in some respects, the whole shooting match of TS2012/RW3 was the new features so it would be logical for someone seeing the "Swoosh" or a mention of TS2012 to believe they would have DLC that had the lights and rain effect much like if you bought a DVD with the "DVD" logo on the case you'd expext it to play on a DVD player. http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 4&t=117100 maybe we should all reread this thread and aquaint ourselves with the hype that was built up with the release of TS2012.
LW

[Darpor]

He has a point in some respects, the whole shooting match of TS2012/RW3 was the new features so it would be logical for someone seeing the "Swoosh" or a mention of TS2012 to believe they would have DLC that had the lights and rain effect much like if you bought a DVD with the "DVD" logo on the case you'd expext it to play on a DVD player. http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 4&t=117100 maybe we should all reread this thread and aquaint ourselves with the hype that was built up with the release of TS2012.
LW

But we are talking about false advertising here, of which there is none. If I buy the Class 86 right now, nowhere on the description or in the screenshots does it show any of these effects. Regardless of if people assume they should be there, it's not false advertising at all because if the product is bought, it works, it's therefore TS2012 compatible.

The whole "Swoosh" thing has been discussed on here many times and it has been associated on here with stuff that is upgraded with these features. Nowhere did it officially ever say what the Swoosh meant. It may even mean that the scenarios have been updated and are confirmed to be working which along with the locomotive, means that the package is TS2012 ready and works.

[msey0002]

Darren, if I may, but I'm not 100% certain...rather 90%. An official newsletter (could have been the last one or the one before) did say that an orange logo would signal compatibility with TS2012. But a blue logo would signal full optimisation with TS2012. As far as I remember, that was the wording, I guess it's open to interpretation.

[Darpor]

Darren, if I may, but I'm not 100% certain...rather 90%. A newsletter did say that an orange logo would signal compatibility with TS2012. But a blue logo would signal full optimisation with TS2012. As far as I remember, that was the wording, I guess it's open to interpretation.

It may well have done mate, I cannot remember reading anything.

Another point would be to say that even stock that has been updated doesn't even have nothing to tell you it has been, no bells and whistles on the sales page, nothing. I'm a bit surprised by that to be honest.

[FoggyMorning]

I thought the 86 got updated with WCML?

[msey0002]

Apparently not the separate 86 pack though

[AndyM77]

The separate 86 pack did receive the TSX features... If you can't see them then turn TSX on or verify the Steam cache.

Edit: Quick and dirty images... (non AA, quick grab from a 'Career Mode' scenario - A Chill Wind - with a loco from the 86 pack)