Will be default routes updated to TS2012 or not?

[jarmstro]

I cant see any point in RSC updating all the old DLC? What difference does a few lights and raindrops actually make? They are not going to make RSC any more money.

Why? Because RW3 is already obsolete. They are already flogging a dead horse.

We need to accept Railworks for what it is. Technology which is five years out of date.

John A

[Retro]

Just to put in my opinion. I have to say that RSC have been slow in optimising the older DLC. I have no intention of doing this myself and having paid for these items I would expect the Company to do it. People are not going to buy DLC that is not fully compatible with TS2012 or maybe never will get the Update. So money is going to be lost here. The situation with the Class 37 pack is bordering on the ridiculous IMHO. We still have no idea what is going to be updated. I am assuming that if the people on here are able to update Traction and Rolling Stock themselves it should not be impossible for RSC to do this. I understand the problem with optimising a whole Route and would not expect this as they are Default. However if the gaping holes in the Default Bridge Lofts where fixed and the new Point Lights that stay on in the Daytime plus a few other things where to be put right it would be a help for Route Builders. In fact I would not mind paying a nominal fee for an Optimisation Updates to the older DLC.
I think RSC need also to think about past customers a little more than they seem to be doing ATM.
AFAIK The Just Trains Bristol to Exeter Route has been fixed for those who did not buy it on Steam. Who would be responsible for applying that Update through Steam RSC or Just Trains
I find the whole situation about not updating stuff in a timely fashion very annoying. We need an honest answer as to what is going to happen here or I for one will not be buying anymore DLC
Kind regards James.

[gptech]

...... I have to say that RSC have been slow in optimising the older DLC...............................

............... However if the gaping holes in the Default Bridge Lofts where fixed and the new Point Lights that stay on in the Daytime plus a few other things where to be put right it would be a help for Route Builders...........

No arguments with your opinion, but you're lumping together adding (in terms of being able to use the stock) irrelevant features, with fixing glitches in the core software. Which do you want first: rain drops on class 37 windows or the lofts fixing?

[Retro]

In an Ideal world both. However as this is not the case. The Lofts and Light problems first. But this is speaking as a Route Builder. This would be the reverse if I only ran the Trains. It also depends on what is meant by optimisation of Routes to get back on Topic. Are we talking about the new Lighting features that could be added to Default and DLC Routes if time allowed or SE which is a whole different Ballgame. It would be nice to see the every popular IOW Route be optimised with lighting and the Stock optimised with Rain and Light effects. The problem with this would be is that there are two versions. The RSDL one and the Steam one.

[loverswalk]

I cant see any point in RSC updating all the old DLC? What difference does a few lights and raindrops actually make? They are not going to make RSC any more money.
John A

If thats the case why did we have that thread going on for weeks on end before the release of RW3 teasing us about all of the "great new" features that were being introduced, i can understand the logic of not being able to introduce SE and lighting on the older Default routes but after flogging what a great step forward the new lighting and windscreen effects were and are the least they can do is backdate this feature onto the current DLC catalogue.
Another point is what about incoming new users of RW3 who haven't got say the Class 31? that's still a new sale to RSC so to say updating old models won't make RSC "any more money" is an empty point.
LW

[Retro]

I cant see any point in RSC updating all the old DLC? What difference does a few lights and raindrops actually make? They are not going to make RSC any more money.
John A

If thats the case why did we have that thread going on for weeks on end before the release of RW3 teasing us about all of the "great new" features that were being introduced, i can understand the logic of not being able to introduce SE and lighting on the older Default routes but after flogging what a great step forward the new lighting and windscreen effects were and are the least they can do is backdate this feature onto the current DLC catalogue.
Another point is what about incoming new users of RW3 who haven't got say the Class 31? that's still a new sale to RSC so to say updating old models won't make RSC "any more money" is an empty point.
LW

Agreed. They will make a little more money if older DLC is upgraded and probably none if it is not.
Kind regards James.

[Merlin75]

It's all good saying they should not update the old DLC but what about the DLC that was broken by the RW3 update. I don't think having the fans floating behind my trains that are RSC made DLC and not being fixed a good advert for this game and company when I did not have that problem before. But I do understand them not updating the routes due to the cost and time involved.

[loverswalk]

It's all good saying they should not update the old DLC but what about the DLC that was broken by the RW3 update. I don't think having the fans floating behind my trains that are RSC made DLC and not being fixed a good advert for this game and company when I did not have that problem before. But I do understand them not updating the routes due to the cost and time involved.

I'd forgot about the floating fans on the Class 55.......
LW

[Retro]

It's all good saying they should not update the old DLC but what about the DLC that was broken by the RW3 update. I don't think having the fans floating behind my trains that are RSC made DLC and not being fixed a good advert for this game and company when I did not have that problem before. But I do understand them not updating the routes due to the cost and time involved.

Apparently the Floating Fans are being fixed in the Update we are currently waiting for. Derek has said this somewhere on the Forums.
Kind regards James.

[styckx]

Nothing a photoshop post process can't solve.

[Kariban]

Yes, there's a definite distinction between adding new RW3 features ( like rain ) to existing DLC and making DLC fit for purpose again, like the 450 - in it's default state I'm not sure you can complete the scenarios provided, it's so underpowered. And all the myriad other well-documented DLC issues. I'm trying very hard not to be cynical because I know the RSC chaps put a lot of themselves into what they do and I'm just hoping this is a time management/growing pain issue, but the dark half of me comes up with other very believable scenarios.

[dmaar]

They would definitely make more money if the old DLC was updated. As a new user, I am very wary to buy any more DLC because of the precedent set by them with the current batch.

I know many may think that this sounds entitled, but for game this pricey, I expect top-notch support from the developer. I simply cannot afford to buy $40 DLC packs if there is a good chance that it will have issues with the next generation of the game.

As an aside, they should at least list compatibility on the steam page for each DLC. I was a bit disappointed when I bought my first DLC and learned that is was not optimized for TSX. Then again, I suppose this would cause people to avoid buying certain DLC, which they may not like. Though I would expect a responsible developer would want to keep their customers informed.

[Griphos]

Here are the main points for me:

There are problems with DLC that RW3 caused. These need to be fixed and given priority, I would think. I don't see any fixes to those yet. The SW1500 comes to mind.

Aside from routes, the DLC is for things that don't get outdated and need to be replaced. GP9s are still GP9s. They made some. I doubt they'll make them again. So, I'd like my GP9s to have the features that RW3 offers. I bought ALL my DLC after the release of RW3, since that's when I started on this sim. And I've bought a lot of DLC. I basically paid the same price for the engines that don't have RW3 features as those that do. I like raindrops. I like the other new features. It adds to immersion. If they sell that DLC to me now, it should work with the current version of RW and with all the features of that version.

What really puzzles and frustrates me is that if I were to buy a new, but inferior route, like Donner Pass, I'd get SOME DLC, several US engines I already have in fact, that DO have RW3 features. Raindrops and all. They HAVE updated the older DLC with new features. They just haven't done so to the DLC I paid for recently and separately from that route. I do not appreciate the sales strategy that says if you want new features on old DLC, buy a new thing from us and you'll get at least partial upgrades (on the single skin included in that route).

If they upgrade a loco for some route, I fail to see how there is much additional effort or expense to them to make that update a fix for the separate loco pack most of us have bought already anyway.

[jarmstro]

Yes, there's a definite distinction between adding new RW3 features ( like rain ) to existing DLC and making DLC fit for purpose again, like the 450 - in it's default state I'm not sure you can complete the scenarios provided, it's so underpowered. And all the myriad other well-documented DLC issues. I'm trying very hard not to be cynical because I know the RSC chaps put a lot of themselves into what they do and I'm just hoping this is a time management/growing pain issue, but the dark half of me comes up with other very believable scenarios.

Ah! Now that's a different matter. Never mind updating stuff but what about fixing DLC that is broken? I for one just cannot understand why RSC did not immediately patch the buffer problem in WCML-N which is the work of all of ten minutes!! What was the the big deal? FIX IT straight away and have done with it!

John A

[dmaar]

Here are the main points for me:

There are problems with DLC that RW3 caused. These need to be fixed and given priority, I would think. I don't see any fixes to those yet. The SW1500 comes to mind.

Aside from routes, the DLC is for things that don't get outdated and need to be replaced. GP9s are still GP9s. They made some. I doubt they'll make them again. So, I'd like my GP9s to have the features that RW3 offers. I bought ALL my DLC after the release of RW3, since that's when I started on this sim. And I've bought a lot of DLC. I basically paid the same price for the engines that don't have RW3 features as those that do. I like raindrops. I like the other new features. It adds to immersion. If they sell that DLC to me now, it should work with the current version of RW and with all the features of that version.

What really puzzles and frustrates me is that if I were to buy a new, but inferior route, like Donner Pass, I'd get SOME DLC, several US engines I already have in fact, that DO have RW3 features. Raindrops and all. They HAVE updated the older DLC with new features. They just haven't done so to the DLC I paid for recently and separately from that route. I do not appreciate the sales strategy that says if you want new features on old DLC, buy a new thing from us and you'll get at least partial upgrades (on the single skin included in that route).

If they upgrade a loco for some route, I fail to see how there is much additional effort or expense to them to make that update a fix for the separate loco pack most of us have bought already anyway.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly how I stand on the issue, and I think updating payware DLC to comply with modern versions of the game is simply the right thing for the developer to do.