Class 67 adv + car carrier

[Bogatyr]

To Just Trains

Oh what a masterwork you have done whit you new class 67. Hip Hip Hurra.
Bogatyr

[jimmyshand]

It does look the business but I'm afraid for me the 20 quid price tag is a complete passion killer! Even with the Xmas 20% off it's still the most expensive loco in the history of the entire game. It would have to be at least a 50% reduction before I'd even think about it. You can currently get any RSC loco on Steam for £5.99 including the much heralded and feature laden 150. The JT 67 even with discount will set you back 3 times that amount! I'm seriously reluctant these days to buy anything over a tenner especially with wildly varying quality being a serious issue at the moment. It seems the JT 67 is a high quality product but for me they've definitely overpriced it by at least 100%! even more so with there already being a reasonably good RSC model already out there.

[MFMPorter]

The JT 67 even with discount will set you back 3 times that amount!

Do you have a Just Reward account? That would help a bit, but as you say there is a large price differential there.

David W.

[Darpor]

It does look the business but I'm afraid for me the 20 quid price tag is a complete passion killer! Even with the Xmas 20% off it's still the most expensive loco in the history of the entire game. It would have to be at least a 50% reduction before I'd even think about it. You can currently get any RSC loco on Steam for £5.99 including the much heralded and feature laden 150. The JT 67 even with discount will set you back 3 times that amount! I'm seriously reluctant these days to buy anything over a tenner especially with wildly varying quality being a serious issue at the moment. It seems the JT 67 is a high quality product but for me they've definitely overpriced it by at least 100%! even more so with there already being a reasonably good RSC model already out there.

This is the logic I don't really understand mate. It's overpriced by at least 100%, therefore it should be £10 or even less. However, you are equally happy to pay £5 for a soundpack? That logic makes an advanced locomotive and wagon less than the price of a soundpack?

Not a gripe or an attack by any means on yourself or any developer. But it is something that needs to be understood by the community and developers alike and is worth a bit of discussion and debate, if not only to help developers understand how much value there is in each product or addon to a product.

[jimmyshand]

I do have a rewards account but to be honest, JT don't release enough content for me to be able to build up enough points to make a difference. I suppose there is a bit of principal in action here too, 20 quid for a loco marks a step into a new ball park where I don't really think the sim should be going. I've bought all other JT products over the years and found them all very good but 20 quid sets a bad precedent for me. You can pick up the entire game for less than the price of that one loco.

[jimmyshand]

Darren the logic is simple. 5 quid is easy to spend, guilt free if you like, a pocket money toy. It doesn't matter what the product, for a fiver if it enhances your enjoyment of the sim then it's worth a punt. 10 quid and you're getting into more serious money. You could do a lot with a tenner and it also hurts if you lose a tenner so that kind of money is spent wisely. 20 quid is another realm altogether. That would fuel my car for a week or feed me for at least 3 days! It comes down to ease of spending, nothing more. A fiver is easy to throw away, 20 quid you will always think twice and be cautious because it's quite serious money.

[SHEEP]

I feel the same way about the 67 as Jimmy and i don't have any AP sound, enhancement or scenario packs,
Like Jimmy, I'm a carer for my wife and have a limited budget so i have to set limits on what i spend,
£20 for a loco is well over that limit, even if you do get a car Carrier with it.

[jimmyshand]

Here's another way of looking at it, if Mrs Jimmy catches me out buying a soundpack for 5 quid then I can easily get away with that and talk myself out of trouble, it's only a fiver right?! 20 quid and I'm a dead man walking. There is no way on earth to explain to your mrs how you just spent 20 pounds of the extremely tight family war chest on a virtual train!!

[FoggyMorning]

Must confess that I would not have paid £20 for the addon. Thanks to the generous Christmas discount and the excellent rewards point scheme I was able to pay just over £12 for it, which is a fair bit less than what I would consider paying full price for something that includes the content and features this does. Bottom line for me is I got a very good addon for an excellent price, and JT have a happy customer who will buy from them again.

PS... with 20% off it's £16 which puts it in the same ballpark as a number of other premium quality addons

[andynwt]

Another thread where it ends up being about how much things cost. Surely there's enough threads already on that subject?

JTs rewards scheme is very good, I always seem to have £2 or £3 in there, even though I have never bought anything at full price from them.

[ROBsLab]

I certainly am interested in the Class 67. This particular product really does show what can now be done with Railworks Train Simulator 2012. However, to pay an extremely premium price for what can and should be created with the software, I do feel is unfair.
I would hope this is just a one off price for this type of excellent simulation, much like when new technology is expensive when first released. Though I'm not sure if this a justifiable answer to the price.

Also, I have little interest in the engine itself and know little regarding where it actually operates. :-/ I may research this later.

I would certainly say to purchase this for a great experience, but I unfortunately will not be paying £19.99.

£15.99 is better but still maybe more than I would consider paying. Though for a user who is interested in this train, this is probably a good price. I guess this price is more justifiable if you consider the additional "car carriers" being a few quid of the total price.

Edit: This paragraph is kept for continuity regarding the next two replies within this thread, but sized to "Tiny" as it is not necessary to read.
The problem is, if you are a new user or unaware of the forum(s), you would need to have checked the news list to ensure you know about the 20% off and the code to enter (until 4th of January 2012). It's almost like they hope users will miss or forget about the code. Though I don't know how their system works and they might be unable to add the 20% to the "cart" and would instead need to reduce all the prices which could take a while. In this case, perhaps it should be more advertised on the site about the 20% off. But I digress...

In short, if you are interested in the Class 67, I would highly recommend this product. The simulation of the Class 67, going by the videos, looks and sounds very good and I reckon this will give a great experience. But only if you feel the price is justifiable to you (whichever price it may be, with or without the discount and with or without any reward points you may have gained from the Just Trains website).

ROBsLab .

[FoggyMorning]

There is a huge banner on the front page of Just Trains' site saying "Christmas Sale - 20% Off"

[ROBsLab]

D'oh! I was just about to edit my post as I had forgotten about the banner and was just thinking about it. Looks like you caught me out!

ROBsLab .

[bdy26]

The issue with the 67 is there was already a very good 67 available. It's probably fair to say this one is better on a number of levels, but I doubt many people will buy 2 of them unless they are particularly fascinated with a loco only a mother could love.

From a developer's perspective, they've spent a fortune making it and need to recoup (and I expect have been unexpectedly beaten to it by RSC). You either under cut RSC, price way over and then discount / bundle with something else later, or price it slightly above the RSC version as the features and sounds justify the extra price. They've gone for B as they are trying to create a "premium" brand - just as all the supermarkets have very sucessfully done.

As with all these threads about the price of things - if you want it buy it now, or wait till its discounted. Nearly all payware has a video beforehand showing exactly what it does, and will be reviewed here and everywhere else within minutes of release - you know what you're buying and you know what it costs. If you don't buy it they'll take the hint and drop the price next time.

B

[davejc64]

The RSC one is good also, with the benefit of being cheaper!