Atomic Systems

Have any loco's for Railworks have working TPWS? I don't think I have come across it, if there isn't why has it not been implemented?

Dean

If you mean "a working TPWS override button", then not as far as I know. And the problem is/was when I last checked - I was going to add it to the 66 as it has the hooks in the cab model for it - that *everything* is TPWS fitted and you can't intercept TPWS messages coming from the core. You can disable AWS by removing the AWS reset... there is none for TPWS.

It doesn't seem there's fully working TPWS. The emergency brakes come on when going through a red light, but not when you approach a red signal too quickly, or going too fast at a speed check. And there's no vigilance device either.

I can't remember which features TPWS has and which are ATP or TVM or any of the other speed profiling systems I've been looking at ... life was so much easier when it was absolute block/gwr ATC

*looks stuff up*; ok, the overspeed brake demand ( the you-are-going-too-fast-to-stop ) could be added fairly easily if it's not there already; just needs the TPWS signal to check the approaching train speed, which is simple, and the route builder to set the distance ( and have a reasonable default for back-engineering old routes ). Seems the system uses a simple speed-trap rather than some speed profiling like ATP does, so that makes life considerably easier. I refuse to add vigilance devices to anything.

Doesn't the TPWS in E-G do this already btw?

Yeah, the TPWS on both GARL and E-G has the overspeed function implemented. On the default routes, I think it's more a case of the grids not being in place for the overspeed alert

I didn't think that TPWS had been fully implemented into the game, it's not something that everyone fully understands I wouldn't have thought, especially the kids, who just want to play the career mode scenarios, having TPWS everywhere could wreck their statistics, not something to be taken lightly.......

Cheerz. Transport Steve.

FoggyMorning wrote:Yeah, the TPWS on both GARL and E-G has the overspeed function implemented. On the default routes, I think it's more a case of the grids not being in place for the overspeed alert

Well, don't really need that; signals know how far away a train is from them anyway, you could just stick the distance in the flyout for the grid if you wanted a non-default one, takes 6 lines extra in the TPWS grid script. TWPS *is* easy to understand ( the overspeed function is just an early SPAD ), it's things like ATP which aren't.

I think I made a mistake, maybe its not called TPWS. Its a device in the cab kind of like a dead mans, every so often the driver will here a beep and has to cancel it or the brakes will be applied. Is it driver reminding device?

Dean

That's a vigilance device ( technically Driver Safety Device or something? ); DaveB likes putting them in, so you can try any of his mods. I take them out, if I start becoming less vigilant I'll press pause instead nobody is going to die if I crash anyway, I'll just get annoyed.

TPWS is a system to stop you running red lights.

The DSD (Drivers Safety Device) is the pedal itself, requiring it to be pressed down in order to obtain brake release. The DVD (Drivers Vigilance Device) is part of the DSD equipment, sounding the bleeper if no movement of the brake/power handle has been made for 60seconds.
Newer stock has a random DVD which activates a various times, regardless of whether the driver has moved the controls

I would also like to see this function introduced as default and for a couple of reasons; first because it's realistic and I'm after as much realism as possible when driving and secondly because I need it for the exact reason it exists in the real world, to stop me falling asleep!!

I've started driving scenarios set at night and in the rain alot (for obvious reasons) and coupled with the fact I often drive them late in the evening at home then the long open expanses of Darlington to York induce a severe case of nodding dog syndrome!! A vigilance alarm going off every minute or so would work wonders to keep me alert and awake just as it does no doubt in the real world. In fact not having this function in Railworks serves as a very realistic experiment of just how risky it would be for a night driver in the real world to not have this device. Often on long expanses of track under green signals there is nothing to do for up to half an hour (Darlington to York stretch prime example) and within minutes the nodding dog kicks in and you're headbutting the monitor! There really is a need to have something to keep you awake and with it.

Would be nice to have it as an option so those that don't want it can turn it off but those that want the ultra-realistic cab experience can get just that.

jimmyshand wrote: A vigilance alarm going off every minute or so would work wonders to keep me alert and awake just as it does no doubt in the real world. In fact not having this function in Railworks serves as a very realistic experiment of just how risky it would be for a night driver in the real world to not have this device.

The Pacers and 156s dont have vigilance fitted, not a even a beeper to alert you that your foot has come off the DSD. An emergency brake application is the first you know about it

pacerpilot wrote:

jimmyshand wrote: A vigilance alarm going off every minute or so would work wonders to keep me alert and awake just as it does no doubt in the real world. In fact not having this function in Railworks serves as a very realistic experiment of just how risky it would be for a night driver in the real world to not have this device.

The Pacers and 156s dont have vigilance fitted, not a even a beeper to alert you that your foot has come off the DSD. An emergency brake application is the first you know about it

I'm surprised to hear that in this modern health and safety obsessed world! I suppose in theory it is perfectly possible for you to fall asleep with your foot still on the pedal? Yikes! Although I guess Pacers and the like are not generally going to be used on routes where you would be driving for dozens of miles without having to do anything, I'd imagine driving a Pacer on a local line is pretty hands on stuff with lots to do and constant speed changes

jimmyshand wrote:

pacerpilot wrote:

jimmyshand wrote: A vigilance alarm going off every minute or so would work wonders to keep me alert and awake just as it does no doubt in the real world. In fact not having this function in Railworks serves as a very realistic experiment of just how risky it would be for a night driver in the real world to not have this device.

The Pacers and 156s dont have vigilance fitted, not a even a beeper to alert you that your foot has come off the DSD. An emergency brake application is the first you know about it

I'm surprised to hear that in this modern health and safety obsessed world! I suppose in theory it is perfectly possible for you to fall asleep with your foot still on the pedal?

Even if you did fall asleep with your foot on the pedal, you'd still get an emergency brake application I thought? You've gotta release your foot and re-press the pedal within like 2-5 seconds or else the brakes kick in... That's what I thought anyway.

No, thats what vigilance is for. 14x series units and 156s are not equipped with vigilance. Pressing the DSD simply allows brake released to be obtained.