Legacy Mode

[johny]

...I can not expect the coders to know the art was set up incorrect on some assets.
I'd Rather have the code right and the art fixed than fudge a fix that would just get in the way later down the line.

cheers
d

All of my models experience day-glo problems in the TSX Off (so-called Legacy) mode, not TSX On, so, unless the "coders", as you call them, change something down the line they will continue to display correctly in TSX On but not in TSX Off, irrespective of whether I used a certain shader or not, or reset the ambient from its default when the models were first made for RS. It is something the codifiers have done, or maybe not done, in this iteration of RW that gives the day-glo in TSX Off mode, the only mode, it seems, that many of the punters subscribing to the UKTS boards can use satisfactorily.

John

[Retro]

Hi John,
it seems a number of things have changed since the Upgrade which is affecting users own models. It would be helpful to know why.
Kind regards James.

[Retro]

Just had a quick flyover of The Central Route.
The lighting seems to be coming from two directions in the next two shots.





What I mean by washed out colours which seems to be a lighting issue.



All the pictures I have displayed in this Topic illustrates the problems I have with Legacy Mode.
IMHO solutions need to be found by all concerned to make Legacy Mode a viable alternative to Railworks 2.

Kind regards James.

[gptech]

Have you tried playing about with colour/saturation/contrast etc in your graphics card controls, even if that means crreating a new profile to load when using RW?

[partyspiritz]

Have you tried playing about with colour/saturation/contrast etc in your graphics card controls, even if that means crreating a new profile to load when using RW?

I have tried it helped a bit if you change it to much it be comes to dark to play


Regargs


John

[RSderek]

The lighting is coming from 2 sides on some of these lofts. (this was always the case even in RS.)

For lofts that are 1 poly but a 2 sided material the game does not really know how to light them. It picks a side and can not light the same polygon 2 different ways.
So in some cases it is correct in others it is not. It could also depend on which direction you lay the loft.

To address this you (the author) need to add 2 polys, normals pionting in different directions and have 2 sided ticked off. The shader to use on this is Lofttexdiffalpha I think off the top of my head.
Will need to test before I can be sure that is the correct material to use.

regards

Derek

[philspace]

...IMHO solutions need to be found by all concerned to make Legacy Mode a viable alternative to Railworks 2.

Kind regards James.

Having just downloaded the updated stock for the Scenario Challenge and tried to run it in RW2, it is evident that RW2 is certainly not going to be a viable alternative to Legacy Mode.

Simple things like steam loco drivers sitting on the tender coal, and diesel drivers sitting with their noses against the windscreen are harbingers of other changes to come which will no doubt increase the differences between the two.

Sad really, but it looks like the end - I'm glad I haven't really invested anything in DLC to speak of.

Best wishes

Phil

[nobkins]

The Freeware Packs have been upgraded to be compatible with TS2012. There are still some minor outstanding issues but nothing that should significantly upset game play.

As such I can not guarantee that the packs will continue to work in RW2 and as time goes on and more TS2012 features are incorporated in the packs I imagine more issues will be generated for RW2 users.

Hopefully once a few more updates for TS2012 are released a many of you will be able to use it and not need to rely on RW2.

[theokus]

The Freeware Packs have been upgraded to be compatible with TS2012. There are still some minor outstanding issues but nothing that should significantly upset game play.

As such I can not guarantee that the packs will continue to work in RW2 and as time goes on and more TS2012 features are incorporated in the packs I imagine more issues will be generated for RW2 users.

Hopefully once a few more updates for TS2012 are released a many of you will be able to use it and not need to rely on RW2.

Ok but meanwhile there is still much collaterale damage done Jim.
If the legacy mode had completely left out that would have been (more) worse.

[briyeo1950]

I'm confused; many people of "note" on the forum keep talking as if "Legacy Mode" is dead, that it is never going to be a runner, or a usable simulator of any kind. In fact the inference is that "Things can only get worse" for RW2 legacy mode. This to a group of people who know that their current machines can play RW2 very well.
If this is the case someone should come clean and admit to the fact. This would be a travesty and completely unfair of RSC if this is the case.
Some of you may change your computer components more often than your underwear, but I do not.
I have never owned a game where this as ever happened before, it's a very unusual stratergy to say the least.
I'm not getting a new PC for a few years yet, and I expect that the substantial amount of money I have already paid to RSC. amongst others, not to be wasted.
Send us all a stand alone RW2 game and we can all shut up and stop being "negative" as some mods prefer to call legitimate concerns and get back to playing trains.

[RSderek]

Brian, who are you asking to come clean and about what.


d

[ChrisBarnes]

I've sent a email to support as I have found that, while I can play with the default locos when they are already sat in a scenario, I can't pick them in the scenario editor because I get a shader error, very much like what was happening when TS2012 was released, whereby users without pixel shader 3.0 compatible cards couldn't get the game to run even in legacy mode. I can't remember what the error was exactly, except it was almost the same as the previous editor and more importantly I copied the error message to show to RSC. The locos I've tried to pick were the class 47 and the black 5, I imagine that any loco using the new shaders is going to be problematic for me. Has anyone else experienced this issue? I'll post the entire error message later today if I have time. If you had the previous issue I mentioned above, please could you try placing a selection of default locos, namely the black 5 and class 47, to see if it is a widespread problem or just an individual one this time. Thank you.

Regards
Chris

[nobkins]

Ok but meanwhile there is still much collaterale damage done Jim.
If the legacy mode had completely left out that would have been (more) worse.

You lost me there. The point I am making is to clarify that the Freeware Packs have been updated to work with TS2012 and may not work with RW2.

[nobkins]

Hold on there Brian. Seen as I am the primary moderator issuing warnings on this thread I would prefer it if you did not take my warnings out of context and portray it as if posting "legitimate concerns" is not allowed.

Far from it. I encourage you all to post "legitimate concerns" in a constructive and productive manner.

The negative comments I wish to prevent are the moans, rants, RS.com has stolen my hobby, etc etc type posts. These server no purpose other than to allow the poster to get something of their chest to the detriment of the forums. You don't have to look very far at all to find many posts and threads where legitimate concerns are freely being aired. There is even a news article on the homepage of the forums encouraging people to contact RS.com with issues with legacy mode.

Please do not make out that UKTS and the moderators of the forums wish to prevent members from voicing legitimate concerns as this is wrong on every level. This is EXACTLY what we want you to do. In the right way and in conjunction with emailing RS.com support.

I'm confused; many people of "note" on the forum keep talking as if "Legacy Mode" is dead, that it is never going to be a runner, or a usable simulator of any kind. In fact the inference is that "Things can only get worse" for RW2 legacy mode. This to a group of people who know that their current machines can play RW2 very well.

Please remember that what you read on the forums from members is hardly the same as a statement from RS.com. Who is it that is saying "legacy mode is dead". Who is saying "things can only get worse". What authority or knowledge do they have to make these statements?

Given that RS.com have made no such statements nor indicated this in anyway your legitimate concern is based on statements from those that have no more knowledge than you or I. Also remember that we are just over a month after the release of TS2012 with several updates already released and future updates being worked on. The evidence seems to contradict those that are posting that legacy mode is dead and can only get worse.

Finally asking RS.com to come clean about a conclusion drawn from the posts of members with no more knowledge of what is or is not being done with the development of TS2012 and legacy mode just insinuates that they have something to come clean about when there is no evidence to suggest that. It just serves to fan the flames.

Please DO carry on voicing your concerns but don't turn those concerns into a rant, moan or accusations of what RS.com are or are not doing.

If anyone wants to PM me and tell me that I/the moderators/UKTS are being draconian/heavy handed/stifling debate then feel free. Given the number of threads and posts covering legitimate concerns currently active on UKTS I think there is unquestionably evidence that this is not the case.

Jim

[Retro]

The lighting is coming from 2 sides on some of these lofts. (this was always the case even in RS.)

For lofts that are 1 poly but a 2 sided material the game does not really know how to light them. It picks a side and can not light the same polygon 2 different ways.
So in some cases it is correct in others it is not. It could also depend on which direction you lay the loft.

To address this you (the author) need to add 2 polys, normals pionting in different directions and have 2 sided ticked off. The shader to use on this is Lofttexdiffalpha I think off the top of my head.
Will need to test before I can be sure that is the correct material to use.

regards

Derek

Hi Derek and thanks for the explanation. The Loft Fence is the default one from Railworks. Sorry if you where not referring to my pictures.
Kind regards James.