Rain forecast..... 7pm tonight!

[TheTazman]

Derek

I know the 390 was not your own model. But there is a bug on the AI engines pantographs. I noticed that they go up and down randomly when moving on the AI engines.

Is there any fix to that?

Cherers

Simon

the HST and the ES44 had the wiper effect (as does the 390)
We picked the ES44 as many tests being carried out were using the Cajon pass route.

The lights randomly enough were being set up and tested on the F7 (and the 390).
The 390 is not core so we did not use that for example movies.

Over the coming weeks all core locos will be set up with both (and more besides) were need be.
Still lots to do, but it's great to see it evolve.

cheers
d

[Kromaatikse]

There are, I think, several possibilities for making the rain obey canopies etc.

The most obvious one is to have certain objects defined as "rain blocking", to include station canopies, bridges, and other solid objects which are typically placed over the track. If the camera is laterally inside one of these objects, then the camera height is compared to the roof height rather than the terrain height.

A hack-bonus to the above technique is that an object buried *under* the track can be used to punch ventilation holes in tunnels, so you get a splash of rain as you go under one.

Bonus to add a "rain running off roof" effect, especially for glass canopies. Snow on the canopy can already be done using the winter textures.

[scorpion71]

The code also knows when you enter/exit a tunnel so it will stop the rain from being displayed when inside a tunnel.

YAAAAYY!!!

Derek: Does this also mean we won't see shiny engines/carriages in tunnels either?

As the rain is drawn around the camera it is very difficult to detect if you are under a canopy or inside a building.

So it will still rain in Stations until a future update where that is priority.

Oh well, at least it's being looked into, still does that in some stations in real life anyway

[SHEEP]

hehe, In the Balcombe tunnel on the brighton line, It rains 24-7
and in the winter when it froze they used the OLE engineers train and men with long poles to knock the icicles down before they got too big.

[jetstream]

This question is probably heresy but am I the only one for whom this future inclusion of raindrops is creating not one atom of excitement? Ten pages of this thread have been dedicated to it; or am I missing something?

[RSderek]

Now that is a matter for discussion.

Does weather play any part on any activities?

For example, when driving to work and it's dry and sunny everything seems to flow with ease.
However, if it is raining cats and dogs driving becomes more hazardous and I become more vigilant.

If the driving experience becomes more immersive then yes I believe it is something worth talking about.

regards

Derek

[Wikkus]

This question is probably heresy but am I the only one for whom this future inclusion of raindrops is creating not one atom of excitement? Ten pages of this thread have been dedicated to it; or am I missing something?

Certainly not heresy... Dissidence, maybe

I am curious as to why this does not interest you. For my own part, I welcome a little touch that makes the driving experience that little bit more realistic. Some will undoubtedly say it goes too far, others still will say it doesn't go far enough, others still that it's the wrong type of rain, but as the saying goes; "you can't please all of the people all of the time", etc.

EDIT: Derek beat me to it What's more, he used the word "immersive" which I was going to use and then my spillchucker complained and caused me to look it up and fail to find it, replacing it with "realistic" instead. Apparently, it's a word invented by creative and marketing types

Rik.

[RSderek]

I think the trick here is to use it as part of game play in scenarios and not a gimic or just graphics.
Everything we are adding for TS2012 is to make the driving more realistic and engaging.

Making wet and cold days feel like wet and cold days in a scenario is what we are trying to do.
Of course this means we want to create the same feeling in all conditions that drivers experience.

Everyone has their thing they want, and hopefully in time we will get to reach all. I know we have plans to...



regards

Derek

[Kromaatikse]

As I said earlier, it's an eye-candy feature, but it also has operational importance - it impairs your vision unless you bother to turn the wipers on.

As such, it's in the same category as superelevation and illuminating headlamps, both of which we have finally got after ages of asking for them.

It's okay to not be terribly excited about it personally, but the rest of us are quite pleased.

[TheTazman]

Certinaly is pretty impressive. Looks even better if you play the video clip at full screen size.

I think the trick here is to use it as part of game play in scenarios and not a gimic or just graphics.
Everything we are adding for TS2012 is to make the driving more realistic and engaging.

Making wet and cold days feel like wet and cold days in a scenario is what we are trying to do.
Of course this means we want to create the same feeling in all conditions that drivers experience.

Everyone has their thing they want, and hopefully in time we will get to reach all. I know we have plans to...



regards

Derek

[simuk]

The code also knows when you enter/exit a tunnel so it will stop the rain from being displayed when inside a tunnel.

As the rain is drawn around the camera it is very difficult to detect if you are under a canopy or inside a building.

So it will still rain in Stations until a future update where that is priority.

regards

Derek

So the rain will still come down through bridges when you pass under them, and also when you are in a structure such as a loco shed?

Thanks,

Simon
Just Trains
http://www.justtrains.net

[RW2011]

This question is probably heresy but am I the only one for whom this future inclusion of raindrops is creating not one atom of excitement? Ten pages of this thread have been dedicated to it; or am I missing something?

I agree with you but everyone has their own views on what is important in a train game.
In a list of 20 things i would like to see implimented in RW3, raindrops on a windscreen would be #19.
I would much prefer to see the operational side of the game improved.
Personally i would be quite happy to carry on playing it, with it looking as it does now.
If it meant a huge upgrade in realism.

[Ryosuke]

Now that is a matter for discussion.

Does weather play any part on any activities?

For example, when driving to work and it's dry and sunny everything seems to flow with ease.
However, if it is raining cats and dogs driving becomes more hazardous and I become more vigilant.

If the driving experience becomes more immersive then yes I believe it is something worth talking about.

regards

Derek

track quality should really also have an effect on adheasion...getting up a slight incline on a rusty spur line that sees two shunting movements a day with 1600t of freight train behind your tiny BR 294 on a rainy day during fall, complete with making frequent stops and starts to personally secure all those road crossings really requires some skill.
for a real driver the wheather can play a similar important role as it does for a pilot and also in the future of railworks it should not only be a neat graphical effect, but influence the simulation to a much greater extend than it does now. after a heavy snowstorm we had to haul the aforementioned train up that spur line not with one but three BR 294s...

besides, can you tell us whether the bug has been fixed that makes wheelspin depend on train weight derek?
the only connection between train weight and wheelspin is that you are more likely to use too much power on a heavy train.
apart from that wheelspin depends only on tractive effort and available adheasion.

[gptech]

........Personally i would be quite happy to carry on playing it, with it looking as it does now.
If it meant a huge upgrade in realism.

...and there's the $6,000,000 question.... what defines realism?
Some would say realistic environments, others realistic physics........ etc,etc
RW isn't perfect, and still won't be perfect in its new MkIII clothes, because it caters for all those differing needs. Improvements to the graphics side of the game might not be at the top of many peoples wish lists, but getting the underlying core of the game working efficiently will help in setting it up for all those other improvements that have been called for.

[wynnetom440]

See if Railworks and BVE were to merge... that'd be my idea of a train simulator.