Class 421 4CIG - Out Now

[starclean]

No sound proofing in any of the 'old' southern emu's, you could only hear the motors from one coach back (with the window open) and track / bogie noise with the occasional crackle form the shoe gear arcing. The EP brake handle does produce quite an audible 'click' when used, along with the associated brake rub noise which is very distintive on these units. For noisy motors in the cab you'll have to wait till someone models a 4-Cep/4-Bep, motor bogies under the cabs along with the electrical / brake control cabinets in the cab producing some clicking and clonking - if they can get the sounds right.
Model looks good apart from the bits already pointed out, I'll be downloading mine soon! One last thing though, the AWS horn doesn't sound quite right either.

[Wikkus]

Nice video, Rik.

Cheers, Niall

Off topic, but as a non-RW user, are the slamming door sounds supposed to be in sync with doors shutting or are those sounds just played randomly close to departure?

Ah, that could be the eye misleading the ear; when I shot the vid, it just so happened that the departure of an adjacent unit coincided with the departure of my unit -- if you look closely, there's an AI unit off to the left of the shot -- and as such, it's that unit's door-slam noises you hear initially

Rik.

[SHEEP]

Just a mad thought from me, Could the orange curtains on the Blue/Grey, be added as a child object?

[Tankski]

Just a mad thought from me, Could the orange curtains on the Blue/Grey, be added as a child object?

Calling Kariban!

[chriswillis81]

. For noisy motors in the cab you'll have to wait till someone models a 4-Cep/4-Bep, motor bogies under the cabs along with the electrical / brake control cabinets in the cab producing some clicking and clonking - if they can get the sounds right.

That would be awesome, a 4CEP.

[Fincra5]

Btw, Slammed Doors is completable. You just have to pass slowly 2 signals at Danger, then crawl across a set of points that are locked to another AI. But then after that its all good, and you can finish

[Kromaatikse]

Well, technically you can also wait the half-hour for the fast up train to pass and the signal to clear. But that isn't much fun either.

Another sound niggle, though I'm not sure if it really applies to the 4CIG since I'm borrowing experience from the Merseyrail 507s which use the same traction motors (but different control gear). I noticed on the 507s that the motor whine would only really sound during acceleration and braking - the latter presumably because the PEP derivatives have rheostatic braking. The 4CIG model has the whine equally loud whatever position the power handle is at, so AI units pulling into the platform beside you (for example) sound unnaturally loud.

[starclean]

I must say now I have actually had a drive of this now, its quite good - apart from the bits and bobs others have already pointed out. Its got some great detail: If you look through the second mans front window, you see paddles, hook switch pool, line fuse key all where they should be, and on the drivers side, even the flag and dets case above the drivers head - just a shame you dont get to see these from the limited view whilst driving. Even the brake rigging underneath the units puts in an appearance. All in all not bad at all.

[justgeoff]

As a temporay expedient to the lack of motor noise in the driving cab, change the position in the consist of the MBS so that it becomes the second coach from the front, making sure of course that if necessary you reverse the MBS so that the guards compartment is in the centre of the consist. The difference is quite amazing. Of course, this won't help if you are creating a scenario with a 'shuttle' service where you have to change ends!

It doesn't get rid of the constant ticking, which reminds me of last Christmas when I took the grandchildren to see Peter Pan, so now when I'm driving I find myself looking around for the crocodile!

I seem to remember that when the Class 156 was introduced you got a wheel flat sound once you had applied the brakes too heavily. On these units the wheel flat sound is there permanently which is a shame.

Are the AWS sounds a bit too fierce, the bell as well as the buzzer, and also does anyone agree that the level crossing sounds on the Portsmouth route are far too loud, surely something you wouldn't here to that degree in the cab?

Geoff

[yerkes]

As a temporay expedient to the lack of motor noise in the driving cab, change the position in the consist of the MBS so that it becomes the second coach from the front, making sure of course that if necessary you reverse the MBS so that the guards compartment is in the centre of the consist. The difference is quite amazing. Of course, this won't help if you are creating a scenario with a 'shuttle' service where you have to change ends!

It doesn't get rid of the constant ticking, which reminds me of last Christmas when I took the grandchildren to see Peter Pan, so now when I'm driving I find myself looking around for the crocodile!

I seem to remember that when the Class 156 was introduced you got a wheel flat sound once you had applied the brakes too heavily. On these units the wheel flat sound is there permanently which is a shame.

Are the AWS sounds a bit too fierce, the bell as well as the buzzer, and also does anyone agree that the level crossing sounds on the Portsmouth route are far too loud, surely something you wouldn't here to that degree in the cab?

Geoff

I rather like the noise of the wheel flats - very true to real life, especially after the leaf season!

The level crossing sounds are far too loud from within internal views (whether 1 or 5), but that seems to be the case on a number of routes.

Enjoyed your comparison with the crocodile

[Kariban]

Just a mad thought from me, Could the orange curtains on the Blue/Grey, be added as a child object?

Calling Kariban!

You'd have to buy me the unit first

[dp123]

First post here, but have been reading with interest for a while. Keen Railworks/openBVE player etc etc. Right, intro over, down to brass tacks.

4CIG model = lovely. Couple of minor bits, but on the whole, pretty quality. The cab seems ever so slightly "wrong" though. The instrument panel seems a bit out of proportion, and very steeply angled to the corridor connection side.

Sounds = OK, with a willing suspension of disbelief. A good deal of my concerns with these would be sorted with the addition of decent track sounds (track "roar" plus jointed track noise). I have travelled many years on SR EMU stock, am fairly familiar with their operation and had opportunities to examine their technical aspects often. On unpowered driving vehicles, the majority of the noise comes from the track and brake rub. Which neatly slots me into the next point, no brake rub. It was very, very distinctive, as is the case on most tread braked vehicles. Those who have travelled on them will also recall the lovely smell off the hot brakes, but think that a little impossible to ask for, short of the RS team producing an RW scratch and sniff edition. Whenever a CIG or VEP took power, there were always some slightly knocking and clanging as the MBS vehicle pushed the coaches in front and started to pull those behind.

I find that under braking, the motor noise starts to "wind down" once I shut off power and lose speed. This is inaccurate. Once the power is off, the motors shut off totally. No whine, nothing. I'd also like to see the distinctive "POP" from the MBS when power is shut off, as the contactors open to cut traction power.

The ticking! Oh, the ticking! I cannot ever, ever remember 63 stock having any kind of Spirax valve ticking noises. The only "ticking" was the compressor. When static, EMU's just sat silent, with a quiet whine from the auxiliaries. The driving cabs were pretty much silent (save the banging and clanging) until speed was such that track noise started to appear, and maybe the motor whine would be a quiet background noise if the DTCL was next to the MBS. Sorry folks, but if you wanted motor whine thrash, wait for a CEP, which had the motors under each cab.

As regarding shutting off power and reapplying it, unfortunately for those non-simulator people, I believe this to be accurate and was a feature of all camshaft controlled EMU's. I stand to be corrected, though. I'm sure some got around it, but I don't know which exactly.

I like the approximation of the EP/Auto air brake. A very nice touch.

[phat2003uk]

Just in defence of the ticking noise, you can hear it 10 seconds into this video taken from inside the DTCL of 421497: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWBo09xzmU

[dp123]

That sounds more like equipment cooling, rather than the constant air valve ticking of the RW version.

[phat2003uk]

I think the sound represented in the current sound set is the sound shown in the video but just recorded right next to its source so sounds more in your face. Though of course I can't be totally sure of that. It just needs its volume drastically reduced.