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Tankski wrote:That does seem to be a bit extortionate and unrealistic in terms the way RSC could work as a business, I do not work for them either but I see the logical way of doing things is that while they do DLC releases, they slowly run the core upgrades in parallel, not doing them when there's downtime from DLC, although DLC is a major source of income for the company who, as most if not all companies do, need to make a profit, it is not the only form of income.
I think you're on the money with this 'parallel development' theory. The people working on the program would definitely not be the same people working on new content. You have programmers doing programming and artists making models, any call of 'all hands on deck' for a single project would cause chaos.

With the Acela being done by a third party, I suspect it is simply a decision made that they thought this other guy would do a better job or the same job more economically. I suspect that this kind of outsourcing for at least components of projects happens a lot more than we think, but it is up to RS.com whether they feel they want to make that information public.
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transadelaide wrote:
Tankski wrote:That does seem to be a bit extortionate and unrealistic in terms the way RSC could work as a business, I do not work for them either but I see the logical way of doing things is that while they do DLC releases, they slowly run the core upgrades in parallel, not doing them when there's downtime from DLC, although DLC is a major source of income for the company who, as most if not all companies do, need to make a profit, it is not the only form of income.
I think you're on the money with this 'parallel development' theory. The people working on the program would definitely not be the same people working on new content. You have programmers doing programming and artists making models, any call of 'all hands on deck' for a single project would cause chaos.

With the Acela being done by a third party, I suspect it is simply a decision made that they thought this other guy would do a better job or the same job more economically. I suspect that this kind of outsourcing for at least components of projects happens a lot more than we think, but it is up to RS.com whether they feel they want to make that information public.
I don' think the Acela being done by a 3rd party has anything to do with cost or economics, but more down to fact the person/people doing the Acela have more on hand plans, information, pictures and other source information than RS.com can get. They have made a number of times requests for information from the userbase for the US based locomotives due to this and also made mention of the fact just how hard it is for them to get US stuff compared to UK stock, I know people have made complaint on how much UK stock has been released but unfortunately it is easier to get ahold of the UK based stuff. This is not to say they purposely neglect other places, far from it and that has shown by the ramp up of other places getting content.

I also would consider the fact that with RS.com being a relatively small team they have to prioritize revenue so they can dump money into development costs at a later point, hence why there has been a constant release of DLC content to keep a steady income coming in to fund improvement projects aswell as all the associated costs with getting permissions for plans for locomotives and rolling stock aswell as other related sources for routes.

I would also consider the fact we don't see a whole slew of updates month by month because of past experiences with existing patches causing a considerable amount of things to break, if you are say to focus on one large core update, then you can minimise the impact, since for the most part the core update should allow for a overall better chance of bugs not breaking as much. But, with that being said patches will always break things so its inevitable.

In a way, Railworks is abit like windows, the DLC is like the constant window updates you get, some add features and new stuff, then you get a service pack for windows, which is like a core update with lots of fixes and improvements, takes time to do these but in the end run its normally better.
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crumplezone wrote:I don' think the Acela being done by a 3rd party has anything to do with cost or economics, but more down to fact the person/people doing the Acela have more on hand plans, information, pictures and other source information than RS.com can get.
That would not make logical sense, though? Reppo (who is a member here) is developing the Acela, which leads me to think why would someone who (seems to be) of a Chilean origin have plans, information and mountains of reference material for a train that doesn't even operate within 3000km of him? It seems much more logical that RSC would have collated the materials/info needed and sent it off to Reppo with intentions that he models the thing while RSC put more resources into something bigger.
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Is there any furhter informaiton on these developments please?
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I was wondering that too. Since the almost euphoric pronouncements about the new technology and other developments (and the MP visit to their premises which I think was mentioned at RWA but for some reason not here) there has been an almost uncanny silence. An ETA at least for the updates would be very much appreciated.
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Thanks for backing me up on this vern.

Please be warned that MP's may perform a U Turn at any time.

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bigvern wrote:I was wondering that too. Since the almost euphoric pronouncements about the new technology and other developments (and the MP visit to their premises which I think was mentioned at RWA but for some reason not here) there
has been an almost uncanny silence. An ETA at least for the updates would be very much appreciated.
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bigvern wrote:I was wondering that too. Since the almost euphoric pronouncements about the new technology and other developments (and the MP visit to their premises which I think was mentioned at RWA but for some reason not here) there has been an almost uncanny silence. An ETA at least for the updates would be very much appreciated.
An uncanny silence? Maybe they are working?

I would prefer that no projected release date for the major updates be announced other than when it's all ready to go and they give a few days notice. It's a fact of life in the software development world that everything usually takes longer than you think, even if you included padding for lateness in the original. One good move might be to squash any uninformed speculation and announce unequivocally that the WCML North update will not be coming until after the program update so that it can take advantage of the program update without needing any further updating.
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myfself and vern have been here for many years and have support Rail Simulator and Railworks and have brought a great many addons. We are entitled to ask for information on where our hard earned cash is going to be used.

I maintain my own website and i am updating customers on a day by day basis. not on 6 monthly notification of news and products i sell.

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This forum isn't an official support channel for Railworks though, so except for the occasional one off event like this Q & A any announcements are likely to be made through their own website and Facebook rather than here (and there are updates posted very frequently on Facebook)
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Yes i am aware of new routes and locos. However I am not a fan of facebook and never will be. There is no good commuication channels with RSC ... thats a problem in itself.
FoggyMorning wrote:This forum isn't an official support channel for Railworks though, so except for the occasional one off event like this Q & A any announcements are likely to be made through their own website and Facebook rather than here (and there are updates posted very frequently on Facebook)
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My main reason for wondering is that once Blackpool Tramway is done I have several potential projects on the to do list, all of which could: a. Be greatly enhanced by the greater draw distance/multiple object feature and, b. Converesly, I don't want to get halfway through building one and find that RW3/Super-Railworks/Railworks+ comes along in the middle of the thing maybe necessitating a restart.

Agree with Tazman, I am supporting Railworks as my current route building endeavours hopefully demonstrate, but really following Mr Jackson's euphoria I had kind of assumed that was the start of a PR build up or at the least some sort of marketing campaign to raise awareness of exactly what they are doing.

@FoggyMorning... Indeed, I would expect the main channel for the announcements to be on the official channels, not UKTS, but that isn't really the point. Information...somewhere...anywhere - please! Besides we haven't even seen as much of the RSC techs posting in their unofficial capacity to help out as has been the case over the years.
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TheTazman wrote:myfself and vern have been here for many years and have support Rail Simulator and Railworks and have brought a great many addons. We are entitled to ask for information on where our hard earned cash is going to be used.

I maintain my own website and i am updating customers on a day by day basis. not on 6 monthly notification of news and products i sell.

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Oh dear. :roll:

I have bought Heinz baked beans for many, many years. However, I am not sure where that gives me the entitlement to ask Heinz what their R&D department are working on and expect a response.

I am not entirely sure why this mindset appears, it's nearly like the people on Facebook that were trying to threaten legal action for the late arrival of an addon that they have not actually bought yet or my personal favourite whereby people buying addons then stated that they had invested in the company and therefore had a holding stake in RSC. :lol:
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I've said it before and I stand by what I said - but don't hold your breath... We 'most likely' won't see it until Christmas 2011 going by RSC's track record for releasing DLC patches (Snow plough for 'default' content Class 37 Green, class 67 update, WCML North Update(s) original update* let alone the more recent "Extension" & more) and programe updates.

If it's released before then, well, I'll be shocked. :P


*Original WCML was allegedly going to be released before Christmas 2010 which was bug fix (Rundown) and scenario / minor object placement fixes, as emailed in response to some customers queries. So that is at least six months late. :roll: :lol:
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TheTazman wrote:We are entitled to ask for information on where our hard earned cash is going to be used.
You are? this isn't the government, you don't own shares in a Limited company, and I assume you've received all products you've paid for. So, where does this entitlement come from?
My posts are my opinion, and should be read as such.
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We are simply asking for some furhter information on whats ahead. I am sure a 2 minute typing of a post or two from RSC is not going to take too much of their time.

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