'Q1' file 24815

[Darpor]

What causes the process to stop is the number of people who don't have fast connections and who rely on CD / DVDs supplying their routes. We frequently hear at the diminishing number of shows that people don't have the ability to download massive route collections. I am lucky with my 30MB connection I can get stuff easily. The whole idea of the DVDs is they are basically stuff it in the drive and it runs.

Thats clarification enough I guess, quite possibly fair enough as well but isn't a downloadable installer still an option, at least for now?

As to the other two quotes, I think Pete pretty much covers that above.

[karma99]

All got appropriate sanctions.

Unfortunately, that's just not true - as I say, admitted in conversations had by other moderation team members after the event.
If you'd banned us ALL this wouldn't even be a conversation, but the fact that a select few got to tip toe between the bans is why I decided that I would no longer support UKTS.
I was probably out of line that night, I was certainly very vocal - but I received no warning as specified in your own rules, and the main person I was arguing with - who gave at least as good as I did - was happily posting away the next morning.

And that's how we ended up here, whether you like those facts or not.

[FoggyMorning]

If this is in fact not a new version of the route in question, why does the absence of scenic assets from a single provider cause the process to grind to a halt?

Since the assets in question are now available from another site surely all that needs to be done is to include the url in the documentation accompanying the DVD allowing purchasers to acquire them for themselves. Missing scenic assets will not cause a route for Railworks to not work correctly.

I would question the inability of people to download "large" route files in any case, since even the largest are considerably smaller than the download required from Steam to install the base game in the first place!

[godabyc]

Many thanks for making these available again.

Well it is good to see them available for download.

Shame the nearly completed South Devon Banks DVD is no longer being worked on since that looked good in the version I saw.

I was going to expand some more but I have received a PM so that is the lot until I digest the PM and reply to it in the morning.

Obviously you won't be able to reply as you'll have had to ban yourself without warning ? Surely that's the logical and consistent thing to do ?

[hertsbob]

I confess that all the eager anticipation about a South Devon Banks DVD has completely passed me by. Has there been a thread, or threads, about it that I've missed?

I think I'm lost.

Cheers

Bob

[deadly]

Thanks for putting up your assests and Q1, Pete.

[Perkstony]

I didnt know pete got banned no wonder i never got a PM reply then!, thanks for loading them to Darren's Site Pete, I can go back to Western rails now.

[NeutronIC]

First up, thanks to Pete and Darren for getting the files available again, they're some really great work and it really doesn't matter where they're hosted as long as they're available

Just to put the discussion of the South Devon Banks disc to bed - the idea was to bundle a bunch of stock, scenarios and the route, plus all the required scenery together and make it available for people to install from a disc. Something to hand out (for free) at exhibitions too as currently we have nothing "extra" to give folks at the shows. I think when people see the price tag on the site they really don't take in to account that the site accounts for maybe half the total distribution of the CD's, where the other half is completely free at shows. Still, moving on, that's a long long discussion that far predates RailWorks and to be honest one I'm tired of having - if you like the CD's then great, if not, that's fine too.

The route itself on the disc was simply the latest version released by jetgriff.

SDB was being heavily delayed by my own commitments, but it was very nearly there, it just needed the scenario's to be done using the included stock (which included a couple of as-yet unreleased Digital Traction exclusives too, hopefully more news on them shortly).

When the "explosion" happened *more* than just Pete withdrew permissions and it devastated the disc, it was going to take a lot of time to try and fix (which I just don't have) and when fixed it wasn't going to be anywhere near as good as it was - so there was no point trying, project cancelled. I mostly expected this would be the likely outcome of the temporary bans that were issued, so it didn't come as a surprise. We can all argue and disagree about how the forum is run until the sun comes down but what happened, happened. I stand by the moderation decisions of *that* day but agree that I hadn't asked the moderators to be hard enough *prior* to that day and that's what brought us to that boiling point.

It's not the first CD to be cancelled, it probably won't be the last.

Does it *really* matter? Not really. Most people are installing things for RailWorks just fine, it's nowhere near as difficult to get things up and running as it was for MSTS where the CD's were exceptionally important. Do I think the CD's would work well with RailWorks? Yes, and furthermore I think it would seriously help sell RailWorks at the shows too. There is likely to be one disc coming at some point hopefully this year for another as-yet unreleased route (RobertM's outstanding Esthwaite), but other than that - it's not something i'm focusing on.

I firmly believe, and have always believed, that authors of work have the full rights to do as they wish with their work, so I bare no bad feelings towards Pete or the other people that withdrew their permissions, it's just another day in the life of the forums and best just to look forwards

So, anyway... moving on - go download Pete's files and enjoy

Matt.

[MisterWho]

First, thanks for making these files available again.

I've downloaded them but unfortunately found that the readme text files in Wagon Packs 1 and 2 are reported as corrupt by my copy of WinZip 15.0. While not of any great significance, I wonder if the originals could be corrected and the files re-uploaded,
thanks in advance,
moi

[FoggyMorning]

Thanks for your thoughts on that, Matt

Steve

[stuart666]

Very decent of Pete to make them all available in the first place I think, even more so for upping them again.

Ill make sure I alter the stock list for Western Rails so folks know where to find these items.

[hertsbob]

Thanks for your thoughts on that, Matt

Steve

Agreed. Thanks, Matt. Your post certainly helps with the context of the discussion.

Cheers

Bob

[rabid]

Yes thanks indeed.
Just one wee thing, I get a corrupted archive with "GWRWagonPack1.zip", when I try to extract the fix RPK.
I've tried downloading again, is it only me?

[Darpor]

I have just downloaded and it still seems to work for me. I'll replace it.

[Darpor]

I have replaced the file mate, give it a go and see if it works this time.