German Railroads and BR 120

[andygale]

Re German Loco: I do like the German railways but I want diesels, a 218 would be nice, 232 better.. happy to pay for the locos i like

Re beer: What can I say, I'm just a tourist trap kinda guy.. 9 euro was for a stein (0.5l beer and 0.5l froth) ha ha

Cheers
Andy

[iceman2117]

hi, ...

218
Pics on Firt top
http://rail-sim.de/forum/board38-rail-s ... #post25328

g'ice

[RudolfJan]

I loved the GR MSTS add-ons, but I think this one is much over priced. The only good news is that they include a good number of scenarios (9 if I recollect correctly).

About German beer prices: I paid Euro 3,20-3,60 for half a litre in the South of Bavaria this summer. This is cheaper than drinking soft drink in Germany. I Munich it used to be more expensive. Euro 9 is excessive.

[bigphill2]

Hi guys
Has anyone got this yet or seen a video . Doesnt seem to be much info on this

Phill

[hoytt]

Hi guys
Has anyone got this yet or seen a video . Doesnt seem to be much info on this

Phill

I found a link to this video over at rail-sim.de
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qURLLj2L5A

[rabid]

Hi guys
Has anyone got this yet or seen a video . Doesnt seem to be much info on this

Phill

Not surprising given you need a 2nd mortgage to buy one.

[radu1972]

HI, I bought this package, when I checked out the total came to 25Euros, maybe it is the country I live in (RO)and the TVA /VAT. After one day and three perfect scenarios I wrote this review on the GR Shop and I only reproduce it here because it might help others make up their opinion about the package, naturally on my very own decision, I hope it will not be misinterpreted.

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Once again five stars.

The models are as expected, beautiful. I am not an expert thus I can not find any faults (such as certain small details/sounds etc, not corresponding to reality). I do like a lot the analog clock in the orient red cab and the classy interior of the locomotives, reminiscent of DB Class 111.

However what I think is the most important highlight for this package and the hobby, is that RW has finally improved over Trainz and Msts. This add-on takes advantage of RW2. I have not seen any AI collisions (yet, after three scenarios) and the doors on the IC coaches finally slide open beautifully as they do in reality. As is now the norm with this company, all scenarios benefit from a wealth of traffic, all types of trains, coming and going around you, both on the mainline and in the stations, sometimes 2-3 at a time on the adjacent tracks. Very nice, very realistic and definitely very immersive!

[USRailFan]

Judging from this description, it seems the price might not be so outrageous anyway...

[rabid]

Price still showing as €29.95 in the GR shop.
If this was more in line with other RW addons at say €14.95 I would have snapped it up...!

[bigphill2]

Hi all
Thanks for the response on that . Very much appreciated.
Phill

[USRailFan]

Price still showing as €29.95 in the GR shop.
If this was more in line with other RW addons at say €14.95 I would have snapped it up...!

What I meant was, that from the description it seems that both the loco, rolling stock and scenarios are of an extremely high quality - which makes the €29.95 price a bit less outrageous.

[coppo]

Well I agree with radu1972 the GR package is great with plenty of action in the activities.
The Eurofima coaches are very welcome and I look forward to seeing repaints of them in due course. I don't recall how many countries use the coaches, but there will be plenty.

If I have a gripe it is that I would have liked to have had a 120 in the short lived TEE livery, with some appropriately liveried coaches.

Otherwise it is well worth the outlay - definitely cheaper than the blank DCC sound chips that I purchased the other day. Anyone know where I can find downloadable DCC sounds for OBB railcars?

[FoggyMorning]

Well, I'm glad those who have purchased the pack think it's good value for money

[smarty2]

Think I will wait for a sale, or even better still have them on steam then wait for a sale.

[Klaabu]

Well, I'm glad those who have purchased the pack think it's good value for money

I bought this one and have to say visually good looking model and nice cab. Sounds are not bad but far of perfection. What I absolutely don't accept is physics side. The same old rocket-like acceleration if used as AI. Can't they really learn from others or at least ask some help from RSC? As much as I understand they are RSC-s official partners so it's should not be so hard. The best example of good physics (as good as possible in RW) is Class 380 EMU released by Totalize Media. I suggest to run a little test - place Class 380 and German BR-120 with 4 coaches side by side on parallel tracks as AI and watch how do they accelerate. If You add 8 coaches to the German train acceleration remains almost the same. What's the use of so well rendered loco models if physics totally fail? For that price I was expecting much better product. In comparison to UK stuff created by Oovee, Sly or JustTrains it's absolutely overprised. And question is not only in AI behaviour. Brakes are reacting too fast and breaking force is too heavy. Cabview angle is limited because only half of cab is modelled. It is the case with all other products from GR.
So I'm giving:
10 for the model render and texturing
8 for sounds
9 for the cab render and texturing (way too clean looking, still 30 years old locos)
4 for physics

Cabview and head-out-view positions need adjustment. New values:

Drivers side (right)
X 0.678000
Y 2.950000
Z 7.650000

Left side view
X -0.674000
Y 2.950000
Z 7.650000

Head out right (default)
X 1.760000
Y 2.950000
Z 7.750000

Head out left
X -1.760000
Y 2.950000
Z 7.750000

I have really enjoyed GR products for MSTS. They releases for RW are getting better too but I'm waiting more attention to physics and sound. From other side it's still nice at least somebody is making German train models for RW.