Atomic Systems

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Not sure if there is already a post about this, but who cares

will this pack include variations of the tender so you can alternate between 1 tender or 2? there's not much difference, If any I believe? can anyone expand on that?

They show a single tender with early BR livery (kudos for that chaps), so I would guess that yes, you would probably get a choice.
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Incidentally, has anyone noticed the 57xx is missing from the blog. What happened to that? Didnt we GWR fans provide enough chocolate hobnobs or something?

stuart666 wrote:They show a single tender with early BR livery (kudos for that chaps), so I would guess that yes, you would probably get a choice.
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Incidentally, has anyone noticed the 57xx is missing from the blog. What happened to that? Didnt we GWR fans provide enough chocolate hobnobs or something?

If you sent dark chocolate ones, then I wouldn't blame them for shunning you.

rhysicus1989 wrote:will this pack include variations of the tender so you can alternate between 1 tender or 2? there's not much difference, If any I believe? can anyone expand on that?

There will be single and double tender consists included in the pack. When carrying double tenders the Flying Scotsman would carry the LNER crest on her cabside rather than her running number, which was carried on the water carrier. So there will be specific engine consists for use with double tenders and single tender use. This wont be limited to just a change of running numbers.

It should all make sense with a bit of luck.

g0fthick wrote:

rhysicus1989 wrote:will this pack include variations of the tender so you can alternate between 1 tender or 2? there's not much difference, If any I believe? can anyone expand on that?

There will be single and double tender consists included in the pack. When carrying double tenders the Flying Scotsman would carry the LNER crest on her cabside rather than her running number, which was carried on the water carrier. So there will be specific engine consists for use with double tenders and single tender use. This wont be limited to just a change of running numbers.

It should all make sense with a bit of luck.

Hopefully this should be dealt with using the numbering system rather than having separate crest or numbered models. Something appropriate would be to perhaps add an A to the end of the number to use the crest on the side instead of the number.

g0fthick wrote:

rhysicus1989 wrote:will this pack include variations of the tender so you can alternate between 1 tender or 2? there's not much difference, If any I believe? can anyone expand on that?

There will be single and double tender consists included in the pack. When carrying double tenders the Flying Scotsman would carry the LNER crest on her cabside rather than her running number, which was carried on the water carrier. So there will be specific engine consists for use with double tenders and single tender use. This wont be limited to just a change of running numbers.

It should all make sense with a bit of luck.

Awesome stuff mate, Looks like you guys are really going all out on this pack! Looks like its getting set up to be as good as the Tornado pack then!

stuart666 wrote:Incidentally, has anyone noticed the 57xx is missing from the blog. What happened to that? Didnt we GWR fans provide enough chocolate hobnobs or something?

I sure hope they havnt given up on it, it would be amazing to have a pannier pack, with all sorts of liveries, and auto coaches and maybe a few toads thrown in? that would be an IDEAL GWR pack, and its not as though they have to modify the hall cab view that much, the cab is not far off.

rhysicus1989 wrote:

stuart666 wrote:Incidentally, has anyone noticed the 57xx is missing from the blog. What happened to that? Didnt we GWR fans provide enough chocolate hobnobs or something?

I sure hope they havnt given up on it, it would be amazing to have a pannier pack, with all sorts of liveries, and auto coaches and maybe a few toads thrown in? that would be an IDEAL GWR pack, and its not as though they have to modify the hall cab view that much, the cab is not far off.

I think the cab is very different from a collett cab im afraid. Ive not see the inside of one admittedly, but from photos it looks a lot closer to the inside of Petes Prairie cab (lever reverse for example). I guess it was inevitable really, as the following illustrates they never really designed a NEW 060 pannier at Swindon. They were all elaborations on a general theme laid down very early.
http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html
Still, if it aint broke, dont mend it. When they tried to by putting a new boiler in the 94xx, it was arguably a bit too weighty for its role. Still, it looked pretty.

Ill look forward to the Scotsman, as I can justifiably run it on Western Rails under railtour conditions. But I must admit im getting a bit weary of all the LMS and LNER stuff to be honest.

Re Scotsman double tenders, I was once told that the loco only used two when (a) the loco went to the USA or (b) the number of water towers and water troughs fell too low during the diesel era.
Is this true, or was it a response to something else? Were other engines ever fitted with two tenders?

Re the '57 pack, we do have a few 57xx and 94xx locos in UKTS - what MSTS has and RW doesn't is a 14xx, and one that could be driven from an autocoach would be cool...

Ruth

stuart666 wrote:...I must admit im getting a bit weary of all the LMS and LNER stuff to be honest.

Heathen!

Still, if it aint broke, dont mend it. When they tried to by putting a new boiler in the 94xx, it was arguably a bit too weighty for its role. Still, it looked pretty.

from personal experience the 94xx is harder to work on than the 57xx and does not steam as well as the 57xx

although i do hope they haven't given up on the 57xx i was looking forward to that

plewsy2105

plewsy2105 wrote:

Still, if it aint broke, dont mend it. When they tried to by putting a new boiler in the 94xx, it was arguably a bit too weighty for its role. Still, it looked pretty.

from personal experience the 94xx is harder to work on than the 57xx and does not steam as well as the 57xx

although i do hope they haven't given up on the 57xx i was looking forward to that

plewsy2105

Considering that according to legend the 94xx was only built because a GWR director thought the 57xx looked out of date with that dome, I find that deeply amusing and quite believeable.

Matt Iveys 57xx is a very nice model, and I dont wish criticize it because its far better than anything I could ever achieve. But if you look at the numbers it doesnt entirely perform like a 57xx. I think the top steam pressure is 150psi, whereas the real one was 200 if I remember rightly. Lacking a damper, its also hard to get it to steam well, or at least ive found it so when working branch lines with severe gradients. I think the water tanks held something like 1000 gallons, but in the sim its more like 300, which means no really long journeys unless you top up regularly. Im tempted to have a prat about with the stats using RW tools, but I wouldnt want to up them without his permission. Ive modded his halls to have a more realistic pressure of 225psi, and they behave much more like the rather excellent RW one.

As I say, they are all such good models that if the RW one is released Ill still use them for AI traffic.

Sorry Bob, those 'other' companies machines admittedly are useful as AI traffic to pass by doing 96 in Kevs King Edward 1st.

Ooh! How rude!

If I remember correctly, there's a bit in the 57xx readme that basically says you can do whatever you like with the model, although I don't recall whether this was specifically related to liveries etc. And while we're on the subject of liveries, they really all should be a sort of grimy dark maroon with the words London Transport down the side...

Cheers

Bob

(I'll get my coat)

there is an LT 57xx for railsim.....which does work in RW

(it just needs to be a little more untidy and have a few things changed i.e. the number should be L.99 )
http://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/GWR7715.HTM

also as we are on the subject of LT locos how about this....
http://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/Met1.HTM

both engines are owned and operated buy the Buckinghamshire Railway Center...

plewsy2105

p.s. i think we have gone a little of topic....

hertsbob wrote:Ooh! How rude!

If I remember correctly, there's a bit in the 57xx readme that basically says you can do whatever you like with the model, although I don't recall whether this was specifically related to liveries etc. And while we're on the subject of liveries, they really all should be a sort of grimy dark maroon with the words London Transport down the side...

Cheers

Bob

(I'll get my coat)

In fairness, they DID look very good in that livery. The other oddity for some reason they looked good in was the blue Stephenson Clarke livery.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/kevin.dare/latest.html
Or national coal board.
http://train.spottingworld.com/File:GWR ... ilfest.JPG

Short of painting one in lilac and green spots, its hard to think of a livery they would look bad in.