Class 86 Problem

metrobus · Post by **metrobus** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:12 pm

I don't supposed you overloaded it causing a fault ?
Regards
Edward

AndyUK · Post by **AndyUK** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:13 pm

choccy wrote:While aiming for realism in locomotive control, on the one hand is to be applauded it is not a good marketing strategy for Rs.com to confine it's operation to 'expert' control. My grandchildren 5,4,3 and 2 (the youngest isn't quite there yet) enjoy operating RW, but not including a simple controls option with a loco at launch is a short sighted strategy. Sophisticated controls are beyond the ability of the very young and we do want train simulation to be experienced by children from as early an age as possible.

Mark,

Note that Derek said "For the time being the class 86 can only be driven in expert mode". That to me suggests that in the future it might be possible to drive it in the other modes as well. Perhaps he might be persuaded to elaborate at some stage when he gets the chance.

Andy L

Website · Post by **Easilyconfused** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:28 pm

Not sure whether it is purely a Class 86 problem but I keep getting crashes with error messages about unable to create a vertex. Can't really be bothered to look too deeply tonight after a long week at work. If I get time over the weekend then I will take another look and capture the error message properly. If not then it will have to wait for a couple of weeks since I have other things to do next two weekends and I can't run Railworks during the week when I am away from home.

chrisreb · Post by **chrisreb** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:29 pm

The loco is certainly a challenge but think I am getting the hang of it. Doing a freeroam so I can be sure I am in control!

Very easy to keep overloading it and causing a fault when you first start. Got to be less heavy handed on the A key and watch the pointers do not move too far out of the green.

LundeSDK · Post by **LundeSDK** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:33 pm

One question: How can I remove that -165 sign at the top of the display?

bigvern · Post by **bigvern** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:36 pm

chrisreb wrote:The loco is certainly a challenge but think I am getting the hang of it. Doing a freeroam so I can be sure I am in control!

Very easy to keep overloading it and causing a fault when you first start. Got to be less heavy handed on the A key and watch the pointers do not move too far out of the green.

Sounds like my wish has come true then - the tap changer and overload trips!

AndyUK · Post by **AndyUK** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:37 pm

LundeSDK wrote:One question: How can I remove that -165 sign at the top of the display?

If you're driving one of the career mode scenarios then it's your score and you can't hide it. If you're not in a career mode scenario then I've no idea what it is!

Andy L

choccy · Post by **choccy** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:37 pm

AndyUK wrote:
choccy wrote:While aiming for realism in locomotive control, on the one hand is to be applauded it is not a good marketing strategy for Rs.com to confine it's operation to 'expert' control. My grandchildren 5,4,3 and 2 (the youngest isn't quite there yet) enjoy operating RW, but not including a simple controls option with a loco at launch is a short sighted strategy. Sophisticated controls are beyond the ability of the very young and we do want train simulation to be experienced by children from as early an age as possible.
Mark,

Note that Derek said "For the time being the class 86 can only be driven in expert mode". That to me suggests that in the future it might be possible to drive it in the other modes as well. Perhaps he might be persuaded to elaborate at some stage when he gets the chance.

Andy L

But you didn't read my post correctly Andy. It quite clearly states 'but not including a simple controls option with the loco at launch.....' The launch time is when most will sample it and decide whether or not it is for them and their family. Word of mouth, comments on this forum and others sells products or fails to sell them! Lots of people, whether children or not, want something to work as swiftly as possible straight out of the box and, if they choose, to move on to a more sophisticated control method later. I'm not cross just simply suggesting to Rs.com that its not a sensible marketing strategy.

Mark

Darpor · Post by **Darpor** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:38 pm

bigvern wrote:
Sounds like my wish has come true then - the tap changer and overload trips!

It was all for you Vern! If you like trying to be an absolute expert at driving an 86, you will love this.

jimmyshand · Post by **jimmyshand** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:42 pm

Could someone please explain what a tap changer is?? I keep having visions of a plumber!!

AndyUK · Post by **AndyUK** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:45 pm

choccy wrote: .... But you didn't read my post correctly Andy. It quite clearly states 'but not including a simple controls option with the loco at launch.....'

Mark,

Apologies I did skim read it, so much happening at the moment round here! It might help those yet to buy to make their decision if Derek did reveal any plans regarding adding the other control modes though.

Andy L

Esurient · Post by **Esurient** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:48 pm

I've got a throttle problem on the C86. I can get it moving but sometimes the throttle doesn't work. I thought I may have caused a fault, So i did what it says in the manual about resetting it... However, afterwards, the throttle still doesn't hardly pick up. Can get it to about 20max :S

Any news or help would be greatful

cwgaskell · Post by **cwgaskell** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:51 pm

It would be helpful if there was a simple guide as to how to drive this 86, even in Expert Mode.
The manual that comes with it is almost less that useless.
I am currently hitting A, D, W, S, and F, almost at random trying to see what happens.
If I press D to quickly everything stops, and it is a pain trying to get the 86 to go again.

A clear, simple guide is needed, urgently.

Many thanks

Colin

hoytt · Post by **hoytt** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:55 pm

Esurient wrote:I've got a throttle problem on the C86. I can get it moving but sometimes the throttle doesn't work. I thought I may have caused a fault, So i did what it says in the manual about resetting it... However, afterwards, the throttle still doesn't hardly pick up. Can get it to about 20max :S

Any news or help would be greatful

Do you mean that the throttle output is not linked to how far you open the tap-charger? If so, that is intended here. Instead of opening the throttle to 100% you open it slowly (tapping) and every new tap is like shifting gear in your car. Just go slowly and you'll see the loco pick up speed. If you go too fast you will get an overload and a shut down.

(I hope I understood your question)

AndyUK · Post by **AndyUK** » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:56 pm

jimmyshand wrote:Could someone please explain what a tap changer is?? I keep having visions of a plumber!!

The simple explanation is that it's the means by which the voltage output from the transformer is varied to control the power output of the loco. It works, on the Class 86 at least, by effectively altering the number of turns on the primary (25kV) windings of the transformer thereby varying the output voltage from the secondary (low voltage) windings. Further details on wikipedia as usual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_(transformer) and perhaps of more relevance, here: http://www.locodocs.co.uk/brmanuals/81- ... 2-1985.htm

Andy L

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