IHH Britannia!

[windberg]

Hi Tim, there is no issue with your installation. I confirm what you wrote. The Britannia needs no water. This steam engine is the dream of the BR management! Please Sly polish a little bit after you finish the WD.

[seanoc17]

Looks to be a great model this one. If it's on par with the 9F like most suggest then I expect it will be fantastic when i do manage to pick it up.

Sounds for a 9F, correctly modified as it has been suggested they have been, to match the larger wheel diameter and as such the different piston stroke of a Brit would be perfectly suitable. To try and differentiate the two I agree is possible, but for a game is somewhat of a nitpick of the highest order.

If it matches the 9F its good value for money.

Talking of nitpicks

I must applaud the model from the pictures I have seen. The mesh and texturing scream Brit to me. The only nitpick I have noticed, is that the firebox should be painted black below the running plate.

That said I do know that it would be annoying to map etc, but it is noticeable all the same.

Its not a deal breaker by any means because it is still a lovely representation of a Brit, said modification would make it look spot on I reckon.

Anyway just thought I would mention it, I will most likely will be picking it up either way.

[stuart666]

Back to the Brit for a mo, I have a slight issue with performance - steam generation seems limited to around 9000kg/hr (think that's the right unit); I belive for a Brit, this figure should be closer to 30000kg/hr (similar to the 9F and other large steam locos such as the JT A4 or RW Tornado). Performance seems about right (possibly slightly sluggish!), main impact is unauthentically low water consumption, plus little or no effect on boiler pressure when working hard. Can anyone else confirm whether they are seeing this (I'm running expert controls with manual fireman), or could there be an issue with my installation?

Cheers,

Tim

No, I have a similar thing. OTOH, due to the complicated way the physics are set up in Railworks, Im not sure it matters other than for water consumption, and this may explain why its relatively low in this area compared to Tornado. There is also the blastpipe efficiency set relatively low, which is perhaps how the author tried to control the fire and water consumption. Its pretty much a juggling act to get it to work.

Ive had a similar issue editing MDIs 57xx, Ive got most of the attributes largely right (including steam output) but water consumption is a little heavier than what I would like, and although tractive effort is right, the acceleration is a bit too quick. I could fix that by putting up friction, but that would lower tractive effort etc etc etc. You could go in circles for evermore. In this case, i think Sly got it broadly right, even if he had to joggle with some of the settings to get accurate performance. You would be hard pressed to get it entirely right.

One thing I have noticed since the patch, I recently wrote a scenario for oliver cromwell with the BR1a tender, and noted the tender water level was something like 3500 gallons. Is that just me?

[ChrisBarnes]

I must applaud the model from the pictures I have seen. The mesh and texturing scream Brit to me. The only nitpick I have noticed, is that the firebox should be painted black below the running plate.

I'm no expert on this, but Sly's model is not the first time I've seen this. Take a look at this Hornby model:


Mind you, as I have this model I can fairly say that there's a few things I'm not sure are correct about the Hornby model, namely the washed out shade of green in matt (looks awful in th dark loft lol) and also the top of the running plate is also green, not black. It doesn't look right to me. Could an expert please stand forward.

Regards
Chris

[seanoc17]

I can confirm all Brits and indeed all standard classes as a practice were painted black below the running plate and the plates themselves were black on the top surface, this was to reduce weathering and to keep them smart.

There is one exception where a Standard 5 was for a while painted bufferbeam red atop the running boards, no-one knows why but it was eventually removed.

The hornby model is a mistake, probably block colour spraying the boiler component. The running plate on a brit should be black as well, they probably have it green because of their models of the clans. The clans had Green topped running boards and Green cylinder casings, and green fireboxes below the running plate

The clans were the odd class out with the standards though and this was through sheer defiance from the scottish lcomotive works at which they got their overhauls. When they came further south for repaints they were given the proper scheme.

Brits definatly had fireboxes painted black below the running boards.you'll notice too that even hornby realised this and corrected their mistake on later batches:



Also just a TINY nitpick, the frames for the tender, look more blue than black, the same colour as the cylinder casing or indeed the wheelets from the main loco would improve the look of the tender tenfold

A fantastic model, a couple of livery tweaks would make it perfect

[DavidVI]

Maybe i'm simple but is the Britannia meant to start the Olivers Army session not at the platform at Templescombe?

David

[Traveller54]

First of all may I say what a great addition to the RW2 stable this is!
Now, the nuts & bolts; I have looked in all the usual places (manuals, model folder etc. etc.) and can't find any text files that give an indication of how to change a placed stock asset in a scenario to a loco number of my choice?
Before you ask, I have tried by using the fly-out and RW_Tools, I even copy & pasted the line (including the gobbledy gook!) from the numbers.dcsv file but each attempt only succeeded in removing the number and the nameplate!
Any help here would be appreciated

[FoggyMorning]

This was posted by Sly just after release - there is no actual manual for the 7MT. There are a handful of loco names not possible due to space

Code: Select all

example 1 70016#####ARIEL#######c!"£$%86#A

example 2 70018FLYING#DUTCHMAN##k!"£$%16#A

the first 5 numbers are the loco number
the next seventeen are the name padded out as necessary to 17 digits

the next number is a-k for black nameplates m-x for red ones ( higher digit the longer the plate for each set )
The exclamation mark is for overhead flashes can be blanked by #
the next four are all blanks at the moment but could be used to represent route code markings etc 
finally the last for digits are for the shed code eg 16#A or ##5A 

A list of the names / number combinations as used in the package can be copied into any Britannia

70047##################!"£$%16#A
70016#####ARIEL#######c!"£$%86#A
70017#####ARROW#######b!"£$%##5A
70023#####VENUS#######n!"£$%16#A
70031#####BYRON#######n!"£$%86#A
70046######ANZAC######n!"£$%##5A
70015#####APOLLO######d!"£$%16#A
70024#####VULCAN######n!"£$%86#A
70011#####HOTSPUR#####d!"£$%##5A
70020#####MERCURY#####p!"£$%16#A
70022#####TORNADO#####p!"£$%86#A
70032####TENNYSON#####d!"£$%##5A
70036####BOADICEA#####d!"£$%16#A
70000####BRITANNIA####f!"£$%86#A
70014###IRON##DUKE####r!"£$%##5A
70019####LIGHTNING####r!"£$%16#A
70044###EARL##HAIG####r!"£$%86#A
70026###POLAR#STAR####g!"£$%##5A
70027###ROYAL#STAR####r!"£$%16#A
70038###ROBIN#HOOD####r!"£$%86#A
70003##JOHN#BUNYAN####g!"£$%##5A
70005##JOHN##MILTON###h!"£$%16#A
70028#RISING##STAR####s!"£$%86#A
70053##MORAY##FIRTH###t!"£$%##5A
70001##LORD#HURCOMB###h!"£$%16#A
70006##ROBERT#BURNS###h!"£$%86#A
70008#BLACK##PRINCE###i!"£$%##5A
70021#MORNING##STAR###i!"£$%16#A
70025#WESTERN##STAR###i!"£$%86#A
70034##THOMAS#HARDY###t!"£$%##5A
70042##LORD#ROBERTS###t!"£$%16#A
70049#SOLWAY##FIRTH###u!"£$%86#A
70052#FIRTH#OF##TAY###u!"£$%##5A
70007##COEUR#DE#LION##j!"£$%16#A
70012##JOHN#OF#GAUNT##j!"£$%86#A
70029#SHOOTING##STAR##v!"£$%##5A
70045#LORD##ROWALLAN##v!"£$%16#A
70054#DORNOCH##FIRTH##v!"£$%86#A
70010OWEN##GLENDOWER##k!"£$%##5A
70040CLIVE#OF##INDIA##k!"£$%16#A
70041#SIR#JOHN#MOORE##k!"£$%86#A
70043#LORD#KITCHENER##w!"£$%##5A
70050FIRTH#OF##CLYDE##w!"£$%16#A
70051#FIRTH#OF#FORTH##v!"£$%86#A
70013OLIVER#CROMWELL##k!"£$%##5A
70018FLYING#DUTCHMAN##k!"£$%16#A
70033CHARLES##DICKENS#x!"£$%86#A
70035RUDYARD#KIPLING##l!"£$%##5A
70002GEOFFREY#CHAUCER#l!"£$%16#A
70009ALFRED#THE#GREAT#x!"£$%86#A
70037HEREWARD#THE#WAKEx!"£$%##5A

[Traveller54]

Thanks for that Foggy - still doesn't tell us how to change the number though?
As I said before, copying & pasting those lines into either the fly-out or RW_Tools 'change number' screws things up (for me anyway)?

[Traveller54]

Now had time to have a play with this model & scenarios - just thought I would share my thoughts.
Pros:
Great modeling.
Great sound.
Great physics.
Well done to all!
Cons:
No operating manual (text or otherwise) to tell you how to manipulate train numbers/names to specific requirements.
Too many spelling mistakes in the scenarios!
Why the 'New folder' in the Deltics 'Bonus Content'? And to make it worse the scenarios were pathed to it
One error in a tender description (an extra space at the begining) but I won't mention that as RW_Tools fixed it
PS. I just hate it when companies advertise the price in big letters - then say "+ VAT" :bad-words:

[transadelaide]

PS. I just hate it when companies advertise the price in big letters - then say "+ VAT" :bad-words:

They have to display the price without VAT for people who don't have to pay VAT, like me purchasing from Australia where we don't have it, or people purchasing from the EU where I believe the VAT rate is different. Perhaps they should have the price with VAT included in brackets alongside the price without.

[Traveller54]

They have to display the price without VAT for people who don't have to pay VAT

Trans, just a small point, no they 'don't have to' they choose to. "Just Trains" don't!

[briyeo1950]

I think its the online sales company that adds the VAT. I dont know, but these 3rd party developers such as Sly and DT may not be VAT registered themselves. The recent LMS coaches were free of VAT if you bought them through Paypal but you payed VAT with Fastspring.

[Traveller54]

With the help of Paul at IHH the issue about changing numbers/names has been resolved.
In the 7MT_Britannia_numbers.dcsv file the <NAME> format includes these letter " which are required by the sim to number and name the locs - BUT - to change them manually you must use the deatil outlined in an earlier part of this thread replacing " with "
May seem obvious to some - but as there is no specific instruction in either the rwp file or the text in this thread to use those then ...{g}
Once again, thanks to Paul for a rapid response - appreciated.

[JackGrave]

@Traveller54 here is litle help for changing names for BR 7F Std class. Jack