How Much Payware In A Freeware Route? (Poll)

[maddog989]

To expand: I think the best approach is to use "era/location appropriate" payware add ons. That way you maximise the chances that the people who want to use the route will have the appropriate payware already if that is their area of interest.
For example, if you're building a 1950's UK route, using a couple of bushes that come with GARL is maybe not the best idea as those era fans may well not have that route. Building the 2010 WCML, including a couple of trackside items from the 1940's South Coast route (hey I can dream we might get some historic routes one day!) has the same issues.
IOW is the exception to this, as being the only route addon for the first X years/months of RS/RW it has rather become "standard".

this by far is the best answer here, it sums up my feelings exactly, if you're doing a route such as West coast mainline to glasgow then GARL is perfectly acceptable, but using the add on purely for a few bushes, or just for the sake of it is pointless.

you should not limit yourself to a certain number of payware addons but should only be limited by the appropiateness.

Project platform is another route that should be recognised as practically default, excellent assets, reasonable price and a good cause!

[kennyb]

Oh well there`s a pity - was really looking forward to South West Wales - been following it through the forum, eagerly awaiting the day that it became available ---- but ----

Ive held off releasing my route until I had the GARL signalling in place. I wanted the route to be as accurate as possible in relation to signalling, track infrastucture and speeds. Im privileged enough to know the exact signalling layout from the real route and I wanted to be able to provide a realistic signalling experience rather than placing signals by guesswork

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as GARL is overpriced and doesn`t appeal to me I won`t be buying it - so guess my long wait for SWW has finished - all the best with it -- at least until Steam offer GARL at 99% discount !!!!
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Ken

[partyspiritz]

I am going to post a constructive view just in case big brother is watching. I have GARL on the whole I was disappointed. Yes there are some nice assets is it worth it or was it worth for me NO.

The IOW is two routes in one using a lot of default items and better value for money




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John

[rml345]

For me a route creator can use whatever they want in a route. It's their route, they should not be hindered by what anyone else thinks. To me they should make it for themselves first and if others like it and use it thats a bonus.

[Kitform]

My apologise to Bigvern, it was not my intention for this thread to end up in an argument like so many others. I expressed my opinion as the poll asked. !!

If the abbreviation means what is being implied then it is outside section 3 of the forum code of conduct and will be addressed as such.

If you moderate on speculation then moderate away.

End of discussion as it serves no further purpose.

[Traveller54]

Just my opinion - but 'free routes/scenarios' should not include any PayWare as it is a simple procedure to swap stock to what you want (using RW_Tools?) when you want.
OK, it takes a little effort but makes the providers job a lot easier and quicker?!

[msey0002]

A route creator should put anything he/she wants in the route. It's their route and they should be 100% happy with it, end of story. And no, I am not saying this because I have all the add ons, far from it.

[pacerpilot]

Just my opinion - but 'free routes/scenarios' should not include any PayWare as it is a simple procedure to swap stock to what you want (using RW_Tools?) when you want.
OK, it takes a little effort but makes the providers job a lot easier and quicker?!

But that works both ways.....if the end user doesn't have the stock required then they can swap it rather than ruin a realistic scenario for everyone else by using 47s and Turbos everywhere.

[Traveller54]

Just my opinion - but 'free routes/scenarios' should not include any PayWare as it is a simple procedure to swap stock to what you want (using RW_Tools?) when you want.
OK, it takes a little effort but makes the providers job a lot easier and quicker?!

But that works both ways.....if the end user doesn't have the stock required then they can swap it rather than ruin a realistic scenario for everyone else by using 47s and Turbos everywhere.

Well, if it works both ways make it three - insist that the provider provides two versions
Oh yeah, talking about realistic - since when has anyone been able to make a 'realistic' scenario in RW seeing how the majority of stock hasn't been modelled yet?

[transadelaide]

Just my opinion - but 'free routes/scenarios' should not include any PayWare as it is a simple procedure to swap stock to what you want (using RW_Tools?) when you want.
OK, it takes a little effort but makes the providers job a lot easier and quicker?!

But that works both ways.....if the end user doesn't have the stock required then they can swap it rather than ruin a realistic scenario for everyone else by using 47s and Turbos everywhere.

Well, if it works both ways make it three - insist that the provider provides two versions

How about people make whatever scenarios they want and it's up to the end user to like it or leave it?

[pacerpilot]

Oh yeah, talking about realistic - since when has anyone been able to make a 'realistic' scenario in RW seeing how the majority of stock hasn't been modelled yet?

60, 66, 158, 220, HST , IGA, IWB, JJA, MJA, TEA and YGB wagons.......bar a Class 175, that seems to have covered most of the kit that operates on the SWML and the Marches so it seemed to suit the Wales and Borders route rather well.

[Traveller54]

Oh yeah, talking about realistic - since when has anyone been able to make a 'realistic' scenario in RW seeing how the majority of stock hasn't been modelled yet?

60, 66, 158, 220, HST , IGA, IWB, JJA, MJA, TEA and YGB wagons.......bar a Class 175, that seems to have covered most of the kit that operates on the SWML and the Marches so it seemed to suit the Wales and Borders route rather well.

Try doing the North of UK - serious gaps in the Northern Rail stock!

[crowman]

Oh well there`s a pity - was really looking forward to South West Wales - been following it through the forum, eagerly awaiting the day that it became available ---- but ----
GARL is overpriced and doesn`t appeal to me I won`t be buying it - so guess my long wait for SWW has finished - all the best with it -- at least until Steam offer GARL at 99% discount !!!!
Ken

OOps, looks like a few may be disappointed with my WCML South route then? As I have used assets from GARL, IOW & 3D Trains Foliage. They make the route look like it should.
Hopefully by the time it's ready most end users will have these add-on's.

Paul

[bhyde]

In my humble opinion, route or scenario builders should feel free to use whichever assets they like for their own creations, if they are inclined to share these with other people then obviously they will be limiting the number that will access them by using non-default assets. However, I would have thought that the more payware you use in your creation then the less people will download it, so I suppose it comes down to wether you are making your asset for your own personal enjoyment or for that of others.

[spikeyorks]

I don't think that the earlier posts squabbling over stock and scenarios is actually providing any more insight in to Vern's original question, and the point of this thread, ie How much payware should there be in a freeware route

Perhaps moving the debate closer to Pacerpilot's heart then I would like to say two things about his South Wales Route. (1) The screenshots and attention to detail look absolutely superb. It was this route that was one of the reasons that finally convinced me to buy Railworks and (2) I have no interest in purchasing GARL so, by default, I will now not be able to run the route that convinced me to buy Railworks. Now that is irony (or stingyness on my part I suppose).

Now, in my opinion, the above paragraph shouldn't stop Pacerpilot from making his route as accurate as he can possibly make it. In fact I would actively encourage him to do this and cannot see that anyone has the right to criticise him for this. The only other thing I would ask (and the key word is ask) would be that if, after he has made his "main" version of the route and if it is possible to substitute out the GARL signals, then could he consider making a non-GARL version? (I have no idea if this would be easy or impossible by the way).

I see Paul has now posted about the WCML as I was typing my answer. Paul I don't think the poll result should put you off making whatever type of route you want. Just give a slight thought to whether you have to ask people to spend £60-£80 to be able to run your route. It is your own personal answer that is the right one.......not anyone elses.

Regards