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Windscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:17 pm
by amigawolf
Hi,

Dunno if this has been talked about before, did a quick search but couldn't find anything on the subject of why they were included in the game, the devs even went to the trouble of making them work even though there's no graphic effect of raindrops or snow flakes hitting the windscreen when falling leading to an obcscured view until the wipers were used.

Could this feature be added in a future patch, that would add even more realism into the game.

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:18 pm
by Darpor
amigawolf wrote:
Dunno if this has been talked about before
It has been discussed, at length, it generally brings on the BVE drivel. :D

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:19 pm
by JADsHome
The best things come to those who wait :wink: We're being blessed with traffic interaction at crossing shortly if you haven't been following the Facebook discussion, so 'interactive rain' ala BVE is hopefully somewhere in the to-do pile for RS.Com... along with superelevation, etc... [wistfully mutters off into the distance things he'd like to see in the sim...]

Jeff

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:26 pm
by mikesimpson
'You can't please all of the people all of the time'. I remember when MSTS came out the big complaint was that although you could use the wipers and see them working from outside the train, you could not see them from inside the cab.

Now they work fine and are visible from both inside and outside but still there are complaints. Sometimes you just can't win....

Mike

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:48 am
by phill70
mikesimpson wrote:'You can't please all of the people all of the time'.
I completely agree

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:55 am
by growler37
Hi
Come on guys,he,s made A comment about something that he would like to see in RW,i agree the comment was not worded very well,but dont shout him down because you disagree,no one should be afraid to post negative as well as positive,as long as it is polite and constructive.
Regards
Kevin

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:03 am
by stephenholmes
growler37 wrote:Hi
Come on guys,he,s made A comment about something that he would like to see in RW,i agree the comment was not worded very well,but dont shout him down because you disagree,no one should be afraid to post negative as well as positive,as long as it is polite and constructive.
Regards
Kevin
Hi Everyone
Yes I agree people are entitled to ask for things to be included etc
It could have been phrased better though
I personally like the fact the wipers can be viewed working both inside and outside the cab
Unfortunately You cannot please people all of the time
Kind regards Stephen

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:35 am
by partyspiritz
I think the wipers are fine. But people are intitled to there point of view there no need to put someone down for it



Regards



John

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:00 am
by RudolfJan
Wipers are not relevant for my RW experience. I never switch them on.

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:31 am
by Ooveecouk
RudolfJan wrote:Wipers are not relevant for my RW experience. I never switch them on.
I agree. At this time they are just a distraction and utterly pointless. However it would be fantastic if they served a purpose (ie; washing rain). I guess there is a number of approaches that RSC could take to achieve this; one would be the use of a custom shader and the other would be the use of random quads that fall along the face of the window screen. When the wiper sweep's it simply deletes or hides those quads within range.

A custom shader would probably be the best looking and less performance hit than the quad version - that said, I think it should be possible as long as the gaming engine has some kind of script that tells other systems that it's raining (which it probably does since the rail adhesion changes in different weather conditions, IIRC).

Re: Windscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:00 pm
by Sly401
Hi Guys

To answer the original posters query .. they are there because many players wish to see them in operation both internally and externally...... :D

As to wiping raindrops off the screen yes this can be done and have ideed done it, removed from the 20's simply because I didn't think I had quite gotten the most from the tecnique and there were probably better solutions to be had.

I could always drop development work on loco's and spend the next 6 months coming up with a good solution .. which do you think would earn me more money or give most pleasure to users ? :D

yep good to have but it has its place in the scheme of things...

I don't appreciate the sensationalism and implied impression that devs don't know or care ..

Take a step back and realise that you will never get everything in any sim, there was no need for the OP to be negative ...

Influence is more likely to come from actions not words

Sly

Re: Winscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:24 pm
by exshunter
RudolfJan wrote:Wipers are not relevant for my RW experience. I never switch them on.
If we had proper rain on the windscreen you would have to use them. Hopefully they sort this out :roll:

Re: Windscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:17 pm
by RailX
hi

i agree here with amigawolf

we have wipers, but for what?

they should have an direct effect to the driver experience. they should clean the windows from heavy snow, rain....
but then you could also ask: why we have loco lights when they don't lightup the tracks too?
why we have tunnels when they are not dark when you drive through them? :wink:

sorry when i go a little bit offtopic, but in the end those questions come to one point.
all those small things make a game more interesting, at least when you play a simulation game.

greetz

Rail-X

Re: Windscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:47 pm
by iceman2117
hi, ..

I op?osite, ...

Can simulate from the Idea that one Drop of Rain on a single pane of glass you should prefer to adopt the time being.
Perhaps then, the Drop was still flowing down.

The PC computer for such computing tasks rather weak.
In a railway simulation must be calculated very much, as simulated raindrops flow and its consistency would only slow down the computer.
Or is it in your garage has room for a Deep Blue.

The Windshield wipers are always on the Biskuit with personally :lol: ... so I let it run only in the exterior View.
I would rather they would built a little higher quality poly mesh.
Sometimes there are more black bars.

greets ice

Re: Windscreen wipers, why were they added, they're useless!!

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:21 pm
by overmarze
Its like me saying why do we have darkness in out tunnels
or random dirt added to a train. Or lights on all of our trains :o
And so on and so on.

But then i think.
We cant have everything. :o