signalling problems

[whittaker]

just been altering and creating scenarios on my route and keep finding signals stop responding which have worked before ,anyone any ideas!

can play scenario one time all ok restart signal stuck on red.
find if i replace signal works again but why does this happen.

anyone


joe whittaker

[trainsmit]

When you go directly from the editor into the simulator, there has been until recently a problem resetting signals. I do not know if this has been fixed yet (104.5b), but it only seems to affect some routes/scenarios. If you take the long way from editor into the sim, then exit back to the route/scenario selection and from there select "play" on the scenario; it should work.

trainsmit

[Acorncomputer]

It has always been the case that you may have to exit a scenario (and sometimes exit Rail Simulator/RailWorks) in order to reset the signalling after making changes. It is advisable to do this before testing a scenario after making signalling changes otherwise you may encounter problems part way through a scenario that would not have been there if the route has been re-loaded from scratch.

[whittaker]

Thanks ,so i presume the only remedy is replace signal and quite out properly.

joe whittaker

[ka959]

just been altering and creating scenarios on my route and keep finding signals stop responding which have worked before ,anyone any ideas!

can play scenario one time all ok restart signal stuck on red.
find if i replace signal works again but why does this happen.

anyone


joe whittaker

Mate, I've has lots of troubles recently with some feather-type junction signals not doing what they should when they should. I change the signal for another one, and it works OK - then the next time it fails and stays red. I'm getting a little fed up with this, and wish it wouldn't happen. I wrote a wee while back, and asked if there were certain (track) situations you would be advised to avoid, in order to prevent signals not working with these, but the reply I got was not too satisfactory, while the writer did say that my situation sounded as though it should work the way I had it setup. Cheers.

Regards...

Jim McDermott

[Acorncomputer]

The only comment I can add is that signalling is a very complex subject and we have to understand the way it works, chose the right signals to use and make sure that the links are in the right place. I have often had failures at simple junctions as I had placed the links on the wrong exits and at other times the links have been too near or too far from the junction.

In addition, signalling works best in RW if you ensure that every section has correct signalling at either end of the section and that there are proper entry/exit signals into non-signalled areas like yards.

Signalling is a major subject to learn in route building and so far I have managed to grasp the basics and keep my signalling within my comfort zone but I can agree with what has been said before a few times that in most cases, (not all) it is not the fault of Rail Simulator/RailWorks that signalling does not work properly and those with a greater knowledge of signalling systems will probably have much fewer problems than those of us hoping for the best.

[hertsbob]

...signalling works best in RW if you ensure that every section has correct signalling at either end of the section and that there are proper entry/exit signals into non-signalled areas like yards...

On that subject am I right in thinking that an entry signal is one that leads to the main line and an exit signal guards the exit from the main line, rather than referring to the entry/exit to the yard? I've not really ever sussed this out.

Cheers

Bob

[Acorncomputer]

I think the entry and exit signals, I have used the shunt type for yard, are those that work in isolation and in the case of an entry (to yard) signal, no information is to be passed forward to any other signals down the line and in the case of an exit (from yard) signal, information is to be passed forward to the rest of the system. Once a train goes into yard it is no longer tracked by the signalling system.

I think ....

[msts991]

I was going to post this in the scenario creation forum but found this thread so thought it would be better in here.

Ive created a Scenario from Didcot Parkway to London Paddington.At 1st I learnt by reading the guide to scenario creation from here but when I updated and saw the Timetable Editor then I found it alot easier to add trains.

Im having a problem with a signal remaining Red 2 miles outside of Paddington next to the 50 mph speed limit heading into Paddington.Its where the 4 Passenger tracks turn into 6 approach tracks(Ladbroke Grove 1-6)

I depart Didcot Parkway towards London Paddington at 10.05 with an AI train departing 3 mins earlier at 10.02.The AI train goes into reading 5 and I go into Reading 9.I then follow the AI train all the way down the main experiencing the odd Red signal and frequent Yellow's. Then I get to this Signal and it remains at danger.When I ask for authority whether stopped or still moving then I get authority to proceed straight away and I dont have to stop.The next signal in front is already a green.

I have routed the AI train down Ladbroke Grove JN3 as far as possible and into Paddington 3 and the Passenger train down the same route and into Paddington 4.

Now when I 1st played this scenario the signal cleared to a yellow with a route indicator.The next day when I had put headcodes into the descriptions and then saved it again and played it through again then I came across this red signal.So I routed the AI train down Ladbroke Grove JN2 and myself down JN3 and it makes no difference there is still this read signal.I have changed departure times of trains coming out of Paddington and nothing uses that bit of track for 10 mins before I get there.

I did have 2 times where the Home signal in to Reading Platform 9 remained Red when there was nothing in the platform and nothing had used the platform either.It had worked time and time before so I reset all the cache and restarted the game and Reading 9 was available again.No matter what I do though I cant get this Paddington signal to show a Yellow and route indicator like I did have at the beginning.

Any assistance appreciated.

[msts991]

Tried this again last night and same.So I tried my version 8 as I was copying them as I got so far along incase anything went wrong.On version 8,I was routed into Reading Platform 9 and then the Station Starter with route indicator failed and remained at danger which it didnt before.Ive tested this route for so many hours now that I know excatly what time everything should change.So I went back to Version 9 and Reading works fine but Paddington doesnt.

After that I gave up for the night and just watched some TV instead and didnt go back to Railworks all night.

My duplicate Version of V9 deleted 2 trains from Didcot Parkway(they literally vanished off the track) but are still in the Timetable editor so stopped using that one.This was just editing a few headcodes and then when I pressed save they had completely disappeared and it wasnt even these trains I was editing either.

I dont mind putting the hours in testing stuff and creating stuff if it works like its supposed too and not because of something in the programme that has stopping it working.

Its put me off creating anything else at the moment as just see it as a waste of time not knowing whether it will work or not.

[msts991]

Just updating incase anyone else comes across this.Started another Scenario last night from scratch.Starting from Oxford Plat 1 at 22.03 with a FGW HST passing me at 22.01. I follow it closely to Didcot and I go into Didcot Plat 5 and he goes into Didcot Plat 4.Another HSt arrives in Didcot Plat 2 at 22.16 and get priority all as I had planned in the Timetable editor.

Train in Platfrom 4 awaits line clearance and then departs.I await Line clearance but instead of Platform 5 clearing the 3 sidings next to Platform 5 then the top one the signal clears to a green with a route indicator when there is no train and I havent put anything there or even been near it.As the points are against mean then Im denied departure by the signaller.

So tested it by putting the AI train in Platform 5 and my train in Didcot Plat 4 and it all works as it should.A 7 min wait sitting awaiting Line clearance but all good so far.

I run the 3 trains down to Paddington and the Signal at 2 miles from Paddington works correctly and Im routed correctly so there must be something in the other scenario.I'll start adding more traffic and see what happens.

A night off today though as out for a drink